My idea for cutting RMT.

1.) You can only create one (1) new character every 48 hours ACCOUNT WIDE. Not cluster, not world, ACCOUNT!

2.) A character can only be deleted 48 hours after creation.

No more create, spam, delete so name can't be traced, recreate, spam, wash/rinse/repeat.

No more excuses of they delete too fast to catch. People report name, S-E staff finds that logged out but not deleted character, bans account.

Even the richest RMT'er is going to tire of having to buy a new account for every spam toon they need to make.

This won't kill off the bots/farmers, as obviously the gil is sold through third party sites. But it WILL drastically cut the advertisement spam, which in turn will make selling that gil a lot harder.

SE doesn't have the problem of deleted characters that we do. The server keeps records of which characters belong to whom, so they can still track the spammers even if they were to delete every character on the account.

The problem isn't deleted characters anyway. The problem is the pay-per-hour system in place for China. Unlike western players who have to purchase the game and then pay a monthly subscription, they only pay for the time spent in game. It's nothing to them if a character or account is banned because they can easily get a new one at relatively low cost. They basically pay the equivalent of 10 cents an hour.

Mind you, while that might sound cheap to us that's just because of the dollar exchange rate versus the Yuan. It's actually one of the more expensive subscriptions in China due to their lower income.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

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if you think all the bots spam are from china, you will have a bad time

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

if you think all the bots spam are from china, you will have a bad time

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No, but I'm willing to bet the vast majority of them are. There's no money to be made in advertising if every new bot costs you $40. Besides, I doubt it's merely coincidence that the explosion in RMT spam happens to fall around the same date as the Chinese release.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

RMT spam happens to fall around the same date as the Chinese release.

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we already got RMT spam before that. And they have their own server, with different client & version

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...inese_servers/

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

we already got RMT spam before that

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Interesting way of editing and interpreting that response.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

No, but I'm willing to bet the vast majority of them are. There's no money to be made in advertising if every new bot costs you $40. Besides, I doubt it's merely coincidence that the explosion in RMT spam happens to fall around the same date as the Chinese release.

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Ehhhh. I don't think Chinese players can login to US or JP servers using the Chinese client.

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom

Interesting way of editing and interpreting that response.

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I can edit it back to full quote if you want

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

The problem isn't deleted characters anyway. The problem is the pay-per-hour system in place for China. Unlike western players who have to purchase the game and then pay a monthly subscription, they only pay for the time spent in game. It's nothing to them if a character or account is banned because they can easily get a new one at relatively low cost. They basically pay the equivalent of 10 cents an hour.

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China datacenter is separate from the rest, it does not even use square enix account, so it has nothing to do with you unless you play in China server

Only way to combat RMT in a sub-based game is with your wallet. We've tried everything else when it comes to reaching out to SE to work with them.

I'm going to actually try to contribute to the conversation I have an idea to re-add. It's an old one but since we are recycling ideas and ways for SE to combat RMT I'll repitch this with my own twist.

Have in-game ai that you can report to and who also monitor key words and symbols and not just entire repeat phrases. Who then automatically after enough evidence transports them to timeout for an undisclosed period of time where they can continue to do their thing until a GM can get to them round them up like cattle and deal with the herd in greater mass and less frequency than sifting through some lame click x on a spreadsheet and of course the current reports that back you up.
Hell you could even add an in-game feature for screenshots where the ai or GM or one of these community rep ghosts could add to file as an attachment. Helping identify targets based on real time in game information for players who don't play the forum mini-game.