Does anyone else find healers DPS impact on group ironic?

It seems that in groups in this game the role that has the most impact on the groups overall DPS is the healers?

In 4 mans, 8 mans or 24 mans, the difference between "good" dps and amazing DPS is noticeable, but actually that huge of a difference.

The difference between a healers who DPS and the healers who don't makes the whole group feel different. Things start to die really fast and it's like "oh it's a healer who actually uses cleric stance"'

Then you get those Syrcus tower groups where Amon dies before Curtain call, you look at the raid after and see like 6-7 healers in cleric stance and it's like "oh, that's why."

Not that DPS doesn't make a difference, but it seems like if you really want to put a huge difference pace you should play a healer who actually knows how to DPS.

I just completed the Vishap fight, we failed about 4 times most of which I DPSed sparingly because the Paladin could barely hold hate, but we kept getting to like 5-10%.
On the final run, I went all out DPS and healed rarely leaving it to the other WHM. We completed it that run. Ironic I say, but an excuse to take a break from healing haha.

This is basically the case. A healer can put out some nice numbers, nothing like a real DPS, but still nice. The thing is though, this extra damage from having the healer DPS is greater than the gains in having a DPS go from ok to great.

Well in Cleric, healers are no different than a DPS. If the situation allows for light healing then healer DPS does make a significant impact, as long as you aren't expecting heavy OMG damage anyway.

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

A healer can put out some nice numbers, nothing like a real DPS, but still nice.

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It depends. Against a single target, even a mediocre DPS with a smaller weapon can do more damage than a healer. But for mobs, a healer can do more damage than some DPS, if the mob size isn't so large for the tank that the healer is locked into healing. WHM more so than SCH. But for mobs of 3-6, a SCH who DoTs > Bane > Shadowflare > Blizz2 spams can do some respectable damage.

It's a case of having a helping hand. As far as anyone is actually aware of, healers DPSing is never taken strictly into account when content is created. In certain situations, it might be the case where the devs assume that healers will throw out a couple spells from time to time, but not with the intent that said content will be impossible to accomplish (while relevant) without aid of strict healer DPS. In the case of progression, healers helping with DPS helps tremendously (as it removes the need to slowly creep in obtaining BiS gear up to the point possible), but they're likely NOT being strictly considered into the scheme of things.

It'd be like bench pressing. Your 2 hands are generally going to be enough for you to lift what you can, but having someone slightly help with just one hand can make the world of a difference in how much more can be done. You go from your own output to an extra 50% added on (obviously this varies lol). So with DPS, looking at it from a broad and generalized view like 3 hands is better than 2, you went from 100% output when just looking at yourself as DPS, to an massive 150%, simply because another person went from nothing to something.

Plus, it's what happens when you deal with game balance. Healers need to be able to DPS for the sake of being able to do anything outside of groups.

It's always nice to have an extra DPS. Some will say "hodor, if your healer needs to DPS, it's because the DPS is bad". I know it because there were threads about it in the past. Seems like for some people, there's a "cap" for DPS. As I always say, "you never have enough DPS", implying that both tanks and healers should share some DPS whenever they can. There're few exceptions to this rule ( original T7, T13 pre-nerfs...).

At the end of the day, you do make the difference. Picture an escenario where you have to grind the same fight over and over (Garuda HM, for example). Having your healers doing DPS, will save you what? 1 minute? 30 seconds? Now multiply that number by the amount of times you had to run the same encounter. Yup.

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Originally Posted by reality_check

Not that DPS doesn't make a difference, but it seems like if you really want to put a huge difference pace you should play a healer who actually knows how to DPS.

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Sometimes they don't. Tons of DPS in this game are trash. Not just in terms of skill but also brains. How many weeks has it been since the weapon material for i120>130 got added to the weekly? How often do I see dps wearing poet gear that costs more than 1300 total and still uses weapons like zenith, atma, animus in instances that doesn't provide progress towards that weapon? Way too damn many. Hell you don't even need to use novus through out the ex dungeon, just the last boss fight.

*Nods* Healer DPS is quite significant. After all we need to be able to take care of ourselves in content where we lack the protection of a party member.

If the DPS and tanks perform perfectly (Or if its older content) then we can DPS, if they don't then healer MP needs to be reserved for Healing and Raising.

Even if there is not a lot of time to DPS (like T13) you can find spots to deliver the odd aero, providing no one died lol.

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Originally Posted by Gardes

Sometimes they don't. Tons of DPS in this game are trash. Not just in terms of skill but also brains. How many weeks has it been since the weapon material for i120>130 got added to the weekly? How often do I see dps wearing poet gear that costs more than 1300 total and still uses weapons like zenith, atma, animus in instances that doesn't provide progress towards that weapon? Way too damn many. Hell you don't even need to use novus through out the ex dungeon, just the last boss fight.

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Not that unbelievable. I only have the Law of Levin (Ramuh wpn) on my SCH, also have the Animus but egh, which isn't my main but have several poetic pieces I've bought for it.