Is there a reason we can't at least see our own DPS so we can get better as players?

As a console player, I don't even understand the point of striking dummies if we can't experiment and actually see the numbers on whether our rotation adjustments actually help or hurt our damage. I understand SE morally not wanting players to judge eachother by their dps and allow bad players to still have fun, but what about letting us see just OUR dps? I just cannot grasp my mind on why this is still not implemented. How does SE expect us to maximize our contribution to the party when they won't give us the tools to accurately determine if we are playing optimally? SE, why do you hate console players?

I can agree with wanting a personal parser; I'd actually like to develop one as soon as add-on support is added, but :

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SE, why do you hate console players?

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Leave the hyperbole and rabble-rousing behind so people can take you seriously.

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Originally Posted by HeavensSword

I can agree with wanting a personal parser; I'd actually like to develop one as soon as add-on support is added, but :



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Leave the hyperbole and rabble-rousing behind so people can take you seriously.

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Sure. BUT...I am simply trying to express my complete shock that I can find no other reason that SE does not give us the tools to refine our play and instead would prefer us to just mash buttons as it is impossible at this time to measure our effectiveness. So, while I do respect and agree with what you say, I am not here to be taken seriously, I am here to ask why SE's lack of foresight is not taken seriously. Instead of giving console players the tools to complete with PC, it seems SE just wants to widen the PC/PS4 skill gap and give PC players more and more reason to shun us. I want to know why.

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Originally Posted by DinahDemiurge

Sure. BUT...I am simply trying to express my complete shock that I can find no other reason that SE does not give us the tools to refine our play and instead would prefer us to just mash buttons as it is impossible at this time to measure our effectiveness. So, while I do respect and agree with what you say, I am not here to be taken seriously, I am here to ask why SE's lack of foresight is not taken seriously.

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I had made an edit, but I'll just post it in this reply.

Yes, again that's understandable. This topic is brought up almost every other day.

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I'm just sick of all the console players who act like they are mistreated. Realize that PC doesn't have an "Official" parser as well. A 3rd party tool is needed which always has risks associated in their use.

So basically http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...player-can-see.

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Originally Posted by HeavensSword

I had made an edit, but I'll just post it in this reply.

Yes, again that's understandable. This topic is brought up almost every other day.

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I'm just sick of all the console players who act like they are mistreated. Realize that PC doesn't have an "Official" parser as well. A 3rd party tool is needed which always has risks associated in their use.

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Good. This topic should be brought up every day. It is a big deal. If SE announced this feature in heavensward, the crowd would have went nuts just like they did when they saw flying mounts and we all know it.

I don't think any mmo does its own combat parser.

Also I don't think any mmo has addon support when it first launches (iirc secret world was an exception).

So, why are yall being so pushy about "dps meters" being like the most important thing ever?

It'll come when addons come, you can be sure of it. And they've already announce addons. So...what exactly are you complaining about? For now, I'd much rather have other addons, like...I dunno, a HUD addon that doesn't suck, and a good way of tracking dots and procs. Oh, and maybe raid frames that don't suck? Better macro support too. All of those will greatly enhance your experience, far more than a dps meter will.

Also I'm going to go out there right now and say that I hate consoles. Not the players, its not their fault. But man would this game be much better if it didn't have to support the ps3. Disappearing odin comes to mind, as well as debuff limits on bosses (I hear thats been taken care of though?)

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

I don't think any mmo does its own combat parser.

Also I don't think any mmo has addon support when it first launches (iirc secret world was an exception).

So, why are yall being so pushy about "dps meters" being like the most important thing ever?

It'll come when addons come, you can be sure of it. For now, I'd much rather have other addons, like...I dunno, a HUD addon that doesn't suck, and a good way of tracking dots and procs.

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Just curious, when you put dps meters in quotes, who exactly are you quoting? No one in this thread said anything about meters. To answer your question though SE's own encounter design emphasizes DPS checks, well...it sure would be nice to have a way to know that we are being optimal instead of just guessing or developing bad habits.

How can you see your own dps without a dps meter...? Isn't that what the word means? A measurement of dps...?

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How can you see your own dps without a dps meter...? Isn't that what the word means? A measurement of dps...?

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I don't need a meter I just need a little number somewhere saying something like "This Encounter: 500.3" something like that. Customization would be nice but a "this encounter" followed by a real time showing of your current DPS for that encounter is all I would ask for. You dont need some sort of graphic overlay or anything crazy. I know mechanics > dps, but instead of that maybe just give a dps number on striking dummies. I would be happy with that so I can play with rotations and gear. I don't think its too much to ask.