Dungeons need exp replacement post 50

Edit: To clarify this was meant for level 50 characters synced in pre-50 dungeons. The stale trash>door>trash>boss mechanic in 50+ dungeons has varying levels of tomes as rewards already. The low level dungeons only give tomes when done during roulette. That is not going to make someone choose to run a low level dungeon as a level 50 when they have done there roulette already. There needs to be some form of incentive players will want to get them to run these dungeons wihout joining a party with a friend or through roulette.


Recently I have decided to level another job. Surprisingly, I have found dungeon running quite enjoyable. I truly did not expect this after completing a relic. The big difference was gaining experience points.

Now, as a 50 you just want to get in and get out, as you gain nothing from killing the mobs on the way and the loot is usually irrelevant to you. But as a pre-50, I don't care if someone wants to pull the whole dungeon, I am getting experience for each kill anyways, and that is my point in being there.

If they could convert that experience into some form of points we could use to "buy" tomestones (our choice of which to buy), there would actually be a reason for people to want to slow down and kill everything, and not just try to rush to the end and get out.

Say 2.5k exp=1 point. Let you store up to 1000 points
100 points to buy 100 soldiery
500 points to buy 100 poetics.
100 points to buy Alexandrite map
50 points to buy an AF augment part
50 points to buy tier 2 materia
100 points to buy a tier 3 materia

Possibilities are pretty endless. Cycling items in and out of sale could also be used to alleviate duty finder queue based on an influx of new players. Free trial weekend? No problem, just add tier 4 crafting materia for sale this weekend to get a lot of people running dungeons for the new players. Almost anything...the point is to make running a pre-50 dungeon and killing things post 50 have some meaning.

Anyways, just an idea. Post yours, it is probably better then mine.

Dungeons also need to stop using the same design after 50. I can't be the only one who's tired of;
3 mobs -> 3 mobs -> 3 mobs -> boss
3 mobs -> 3 mobs -> 3 mobs -> boss
3 mobs -> 3 mobs -> 3 mobs -> final boss

I think you can get around 40-60k XP per Dungeon. For easy math let's say 50k That would give you 5 soldiery points per run. If you ran 20 low level dungeons a week you would be equal to a daily roulette bonus. Seems pretty reasonable too me and not inflating the amount of tokens you can earn daily. It's still a lot time wise compared to the dailies but I'm sure some people would do it to get their "bonus" points.

It depends on the dungeon, but in bray I was getting 3k a mob. It was about 100k a run with some mobs skipped. Still the numbers are small and it could just as easily be 2500 exp per point. You tell me? If SE gave you these points for being 50 and running a pre-50 dungeon, and you could exchange them for tt cards, Sol/poetics, allied seals, materia, maps, or pretty much anything they wanted to let us have for helping ease the pressure on new players, would you do it? I would.

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Originally Posted by Catsby

Dungeons also need to stop using the same design after 50. I can't be the only one who's tired of;
3 mobs -> 3 mobs -> 3 mobs -> boss
3 mobs -> 3 mobs -> 3 mobs -> boss
3 mobs -> 3 mobs -> 3 mobs -> final boss

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This. Especially when most recent dungeons don't let us speedpull because of doors tied to a mob group being killed. I didn't mind this so much back in WP when you can decide for yourself how fast you want stuff done, but now it's just tedious. More dynamic dungeons with unexpected stuff happening, multiple paths to take, splitting up the party (no, we don't need to be babysat by a healer 100% of the time) for brief sections and stuff like that.

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Originally Posted by seekified

This. Especially when most recent dungeons don't let us speedpull because of doors tied to a mob group being killed. I didn't mind this so much back in WP when you can decide for yourself how fast you want stuff done, but now it's just tedious. More dynamic dungeons with unexpected stuff happening, multiple paths to take, splitting up the party (no, we don't need to be babysat by a healer 100% of the time) for brief sections and stuff like that.

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God no. I don't want to jump through hoops just to do a dungeon run. The first time it's sort of entertaining but repeating that over and over? I don't care about trash i want to kill the bosses and get loot.

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Originally Posted by seekified

This. Especially when most recent dungeons don't let us speedpull because of doors tied to a mob group being killed. I didn't mind this so much back in WP when you can decide for yourself how fast you want stuff done, but now it's just tedious. More dynamic dungeons with unexpected stuff happening, multiple paths to take, splitting up the party (no, we don't need to be babysat by a healer 100% of the time) for brief sections and stuff like that.

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Voting No on "random" .... too much RNGesus in the game already. Random is not the same as dynamic.

Dynamic would be the typical trash monsters arrangement change by the party arrangement and certain monsters trying to capture the healer, or providing their own party healer.

If (healer = WHM) {
Spawn("Tank-buster");
}
else {
Spawn("DoT enemies");
}

kinda thing?

On the main topic, why would I run low-level roulettes even with this mechanic installed, to get tomes? I can run Expert dungeons and get 100 tomes easily. Why not make those points reward you with things that aren't available anywhere else? Make them Special. With sugar on top. Glowing armors top the list I'm sure.

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Originally Posted by Catsby

Dungeons also need to stop using the same design after 50. I can't be the only one who's tired of;
Big Pull -> boss
Big Pull -> boss
Big Pull -> final boss

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I'll fix that for you.

I liked the spawning thing in Amdapor HM :3.