Duty Finder Kick Penalty

So I'm not sure how common this is but it bugs the heck out of me I'll be running a dungeon and someone wants to leave so they ask to get kicked to avoid penalty that seems backwards

If I kick you you should most definitely get a penalty especially if you just want to leave and normally I refuse in which case they just go afk for the dungeon is this a normal thing now because it seems like total bs

I have request being kicked from parties on a regular basis because of RL commitments that can interrupt my game play at any time, kids waking up crying. It usually takes me about 10 minutes to resettle.
Under the current system, I get to resume play immediately.
Under your system, I would get a further penalty.
I am not in favour or your idea.

Its a double edged sword. Say you queue for your Main Scenario as a fresh character. Lets say Brayflox normal. Your Average level 32 Paladin and you get a group of 3 pre-formed A WHM, NIN, and DRG for example all level 50. They inspect you see you in standard questing gear. Not in appropriate for your level, you have level you bought all the i29 pieces you saw on the market board for your level not high quality you don't have the gil for that. And your gear is a mix of some 28 pieces you got in Haukke and a few i30-32 pieces you got questing.

The notice of One person is New to the instance pops up. There is obviously only one new person here and it is you.

They Boot you. Not because you can't tank. Not because you are under geared. They boot you because they didn't want to deal with a new player. They want to get in there go through it quickly and maybe that white mage will get the battlemage robe they want for glamour.

Yeah but asking to be kicked just because you don't want to do a particular dungeon then refusing to play and go afk when no one will kick you is unacceptable imo

If it's a RL thing then to me that's too bad take the penalty I would I'd apologize and leave

Asking to be kicked is out of line and SE really should crack down on reports of this behavior too especially when they refuse to leave and just AFK in one spot/Try their best to cause wipes out of spite. If you want to go then leave and accept your 30 minutes like a man (or woman). If you have real life issues just leave and by the time you come back most of your penalty is gone anyway. Demanding to be kicked so you can have your cake and eat it is just childish and should be stopped,

Though on the flipside i can't stand when you get people who constantly try to force abandon a party for the same reasons. "Oh there was a wipe and i want to leave. Time to spam vote abandon constantly". This also works the other way around when a group is clearly getting nowhere for whatever reason and it's best to just put everyone out their misery because they want to abandon and somebody holds the group hostage.

There are a lot of aspects of system abusing when it comes to kick and again i think the people doing it should be treated more harshly so it stops.

If you were to be kicked from a group and receive a penalty, then you would be receiving a penalty for something you can't control. Leaving a group however you can control, so it is easier to justify that penalty.

The people asking to be kicked are just gaming the system to avoid a penalty. I don't see any reasonable change to the system that would avoid that.

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Originally Posted by SerDakota

Yeah but asking to be kicked just because you don't want to do a particular dungeon then refusing to play and go afk when no one will kick you is unacceptable imo
If it's a RL thing then to me that's too bad take the penalty I would I'd apologize and leave

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Trust me, I have left several instances, taking the penalty willingly. I ask first, just give myself the potential of not having the penalty imposed and to give fair warning why I am suddenly not going to be there.
Forcing people with real reasons to suffer a penalty because of jerk players is not a good solution. There have also been several times when they did not kick me, instead saying "Ok, come back when you can." Thus, allowing the AFK. The system will kick me and impose a penalty after enough AFK time any ways (I think it is 10 minutes).

Granting the players power to impose penalties on other players is just wide open for abuse.
If you get a trolling player (not truely AFK), you should be reporting that player.

I don't mind asking and I have vote kicked once or twice for people but if you ask and then refuse to play if the party says no is totally different

If I had to go I'd ask probably and if they said no I'd take the penalty I wouldn't go afk and stand there sure Noone wants a penalty and if the rest of the party doesn't care fine my problem is wish people that won't help in a dungeon if you don't kick them

Though I'm normally a tank but as far as I'm concerned if you queued for a dungeon you need to finish it especially as a tank or healer because they are dead in the water without you and it's not fair to the dps that waited 30 minutes for a dungeon

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Originally Posted by SerDakota

I don't mind asking and I have vote kicked once or twice for people but if you ask and then refuse to play if the party says no is totally different

If I had to go I'd ask probably and if they said no I'd take the penalty I wouldn't go afk and stand there sure Noone wants a penalty and if the rest of the party doesn't care fine my problem is wish people that won't help in a dungeon if you don't kick them

Though I'm normally a tank but as far as I'm concerned if you queued for a dungeon you need to finish it especially as a tank or healer because they are dead in the water without you and it's not fair to the dps that waited 30 minutes for a dungeon

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Welcome to the #RealWorld dude, not everything is fair lol. RL trumps videogame commitments, sorry to say, if I have to leave bc my kids are crying or I have to run out, like the examples above, I'd ask to be kicked too. I see no reason why you and the remainder of the group wouldn't kick me, but if you all decided not to, I'd personally just leave and suck it up, BUT if I wanted to be a crybaby and go AFK anyway, the other 3-7 ppl would just kick me for being AFK anyway. Problem Solved! #ENDTHREAD

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Originally Posted by SerDakota

I don't mind asking and I have vote kicked once or twice for people but if you ask and then refuse to play if the party says no is totally different

If I had to go I'd ask probably and if they said no I'd take the penalty I wouldn't go afk and stand there sure Noone wants a penalty and if the rest of the party doesn't care fine my problem is wish people that won't help in a dungeon if you don't kick them

Though I'm normally a tank but as far as I'm concerned if you queued for a dungeon you need to finish it especially as a tank or healer because they are dead in the water without you and it's not fair to the dps that waited 30 minutes for a dungeon

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It's also not fair to the DPS who gets kicked because he uses a mage LB on the adds in a speed run just because people wanted the melee LB on the boss (especially when the time evens out regardless of which way you do it). No penalty exists for a reason, there are some real jerks in the queues who wouldn't hesitate to abuse it on everybody. So my answer is eternally NO.