Duty Finder Kick Penalty

[SerDakota]

So I'm not sure how common this is but it bugs the heck out of me I'll be running a dungeon and someone wants to leave so they ask to get kicked to avoid penalty that seems backwards

If I kick you you should most definitely get a penalty especially if you just want to leave and normally I refuse in which case they just go afk for the dungeon is this a normal thing now because it seems like total bs

[ChameleonMS]

I have request being kicked from parties on a regular basis because of RL commitments that can interrupt my game play at any time, kids waking up crying. It usually takes me about 10 minutes to resettle.
Under the current system, I get to resume play immediately.
Under your system, I would get a further penalty.
I am not in favour or your idea.

[Causality]

Its a double edged sword. Say you queue for your Main Scenario as a fresh character. Lets say Brayflox normal. Your Average level 32 Paladin and you get a group of 3 pre-formed A WHM, NIN, and DRG for example all level 50. They inspect you see you in standard questing gear. Not in appropriate for your level, you have level you bought all the i29 pieces you saw on the market board for your level not high quality you don't have the gil for that. And your gear is a mix of some 28 pieces you got in Haukke and a few i30-32 pieces you got questing.

The notice of One person is New to the instance pops up. There is obviously only one new person here and it is you.

They Boot you. Not because you can't tank. Not because you are under geared. They boot you because they didn't want to deal with a new player. They want to get in there go through it quickly and maybe that white mage will get the battlemage robe they want for glamour.

[Veralidaine]

Why wouldn't they want to keep the new person and get the experience bonus? I got like 122k experience yesterday from having a newbie in copper bell roulette.

[ExiledOne]

This is what I know so far:

1. From this thread I've learned that some ask to be kicked in order to avoid the penalty
2. I have also seen in Party Finder people looking to form a group to farm the 1st room in Dzemael promising 50k xp for 5 minutes, which implies no penalty. I assume they mean leaving and then re-Q_ing immediately since you need 15 minutes to vote Abandon
3. I once chose to leave and was able to re-Q immediately (on entering dungeon Healer decided to leave, Tank soon followed, that left 2 of us DPS and not wanting to just wait there - I left)

so how exactly does the penalty work? where/when is the point of no return?

[ChameleonMS]

so how exactly does the penalty work? where/when is the point of no return?

You will receive a penalty for any of the following actions:
a) Abandon a dungeon while party is full and Duty Finder was used to complete the party.
b) Withdraw from the Duty Finder; after you have been assigned a party 3 times in 24 hour period. Each additional withdraw after the first 3 will incur an additional penalty.

You do not receive any penalty for the following actions:
1. Being kicked from a dungeon. OP's original request to add that feature to the game.
2. Abandon a dungeon while the party is currently incomplete.
3. Abandon a dungeon while the party was pre-made. Your DD situation.
4. Withdraw from the Duty Finder; before you have been assigned a party. Mostly a DPS + long queue situation.

[LunnaRavenheart]

...snip...

1. This is offensive behavior and if people report you for doing that you will get warning flag from gm or 24hour jail, dont do that, rather get 30min penalty for leaving
2. If you are premade group you can leave whenever you want without any penalty
3. Only first player who leave get penalty, others no.

[SerDakota]

Yeah but asking to be kicked just because you don't want to do a particular dungeon then refusing to play and go afk when no one will kick you is unacceptable imo

If it's a RL thing then to me that's too bad take the penalty I would I'd apologize and leave

[ChameleonMS]

Yeah but asking to be kicked just because you don't want to do a particular dungeon then refusing to play and go afk when no one will kick you is unacceptable imo
If it's a RL thing then to me that's too bad take the penalty I would I'd apologize and leave

Trust me, I have left several instances, taking the penalty willingly. I ask first, just give myself the potential of not having the penalty imposed and to give fair warning why I am suddenly not going to be there.
Forcing people with real reasons to suffer a penalty because of jerk players is not a good solution. There have also been several times when they did not kick me, instead saying "Ok, come back when you can." Thus, allowing the AFK. The system will kick me and impose a penalty after enough AFK time any ways (I think it is 10 minutes).

Granting the players power to impose penalties on other players is just wide open for abuse.
If you get a trolling player (not truely AFK), you should be reporting that player.

[SerDakota]

I don't mind asking and I have vote kicked once or twice for people but if you ask and then refuse to play if the party says no is totally different

If I had to go I'd ask probably and if they said no I'd take the penalty I wouldn't go afk and stand there sure Noone wants a penalty and if the rest of the party doesn't care fine my problem is wish people that won't help in a dungeon if you don't kick them

Though I'm normally a tank but as far as I'm concerned if you queued for a dungeon you need to finish it especially as a tank or healer because they are dead in the water without you and it's not fair to the dps that waited 30 minutes for a dungeon