What changes can be made to Wolves' Den to make it more attractive to pvpers?

Almost nobody does Wolves' Den. Why is this? What should be fixed?

Old post, but everything mentioned here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Long-Term-PvP

Of everything on that list, a personal rating system would likely be the biggest motivation for PvPers to queue Wolves' Den, where rating gradually increases as you win, and decreases when you lose over a long period of time. However, if these rankings are determined the same way in which Frontlines standings are currently done (based on amount of weekly victories), it will be a complete failure and inefficient way to determine rankings.

A crouch button? :P

It needs to be best out of 3 so you get more out of that hour queue time.

I think the biggest problem is the PvP/Marks rewards are terrible in comparison with Frontlines. Yes, a Wolves Den match takes a fraction of the time a Frontlines match takes, but when you take queues into account you are simply wasting your time queuing for Den if you are trying to rank up.

They should also give a quest marker to the NPC for unlocked synced level 50 Den. Most people don't know it exists. They could probably remove the level 30 and 40 Den matches as well; this would help queue times (less things to queue for) and also help with the XP problem, as the level 30 and 40 Den give less XP than 50.

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Originally Posted by Yaltus

I think the biggest problem is the PvP/Marks rewards are terrible in comparison with Frontlines. Yes, a Wolves Den match takes a fraction of the time a Frontlines match takes, but when you take queues into account you are simply wasting your time queuing for Den if you are trying to rank up.

They should also give a quest marker to the NPC for unlocked synced level 50 Den. Most people don't know it exists. They could probably remove the level 30 and 40 Den matches as well; this would help queue times (less things to queue for) and also help with the XP problem, as the level 30 and 40 Den give less XP than 50.

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I can get behind this. Those Wolves Den Challenge logs never seem to get done, and I need the exp for rank ups. Its also more fun than frontlines cause there's less people to screw up.

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Originally Posted by Cidolfas86

Its also more fun than frontlines cause there's less people to screw up.

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I think you have things backwards: Less people means more weight on each individual which means that screw ups tend to have a greater effect. That ends up making matches less fun. Combine that with absolutely no turnabout/recovery mechanics and you end up with a very unpopular format. This along with the previous Morale mechanics pretty much killed Wolf's Den once the much more popular i80 Frontlines came out.

8(2T/2H/2M/2R)vs8(2T/2H/2M/2R) with decent rewards would likely be a more viable Wolf's Den format.

They need to get rid of it. I would rather have fun in Frontlines because 4v4 is boring as hell. Personally I would rather have an OW PvP server, but since XIV is a PvE platform, Frontlines is currently the only fun option.

maybe the moral was a too high buff but complaining about loosing at better ranked was not a good idea, because rank restriction killed it by making queue too long.
also there is not point to queueing to play for a short time, need best reward.
Need more than 1 round, why just one game it can be down fast 1 to 5 minute.
Need a ranking.
PVP server ? 4vs4 is boring, but get killed by a PK when you doing something else than pvp is fun...

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Originally Posted by kensatsu

maybe the moral was a too high buff but complaining about loosing at better ranked was not a good idea, because rank restriction killed it by making queue too long.
also there is not point to queueing to play for a short time, need best reward.
Need more than 1 round, why just one game it can be down fast 1 to 5 minute.
Need a ranking.
PVP server ? 4vs4 is boring, but get killed by a PK when you doing something else than pvp is fun...

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If you would have ever played Warhammer AoR you would understand a little bit about how a PvP server works.