So I got some guildleves to test them out after the patch. 2 in Halatali, and 2 in Broken Water. I equip 2 skills, a basic attack and an aoe. I proceed to do them all on 3 stars with guardian's aspect, and get 35k xp in less than an hour.
That is more xp than most get in even a very good XP party, and all I had to do was use 2 skills. It posed no challenge at all, and when I tried 4 stars on the 5th I found I got less XP because of how the system rewards speed (seems imbalanced with difficulty settings). I know that XP chains will help balance this, but come on why so heavily encourage everyone regardless of whether they like to(or have to) play solo to do this?
I thought guildleves were no longer a (the) central feature of this game... hurry up and fix partying so I don't have to do this crap anymore.
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08-09-2011, 12:30 PMMurugan4 guildleves in less than 1 hour=1/3rd of the way from 49-50?
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08-09-2011, 12:32 PMArcell
You don't have to do it. They're fine as is now. I got about 30k myself doing a set of leves today but I think that's fine. I mean honestly when you used to be able to get 49-50 in 4 hours in Raptor parties (dunno if this is still possible), getting 1/3rd of your rank in one reset (taking 4 days to get all 3 sets done) that's not bad at all.
It's a nice amount of SP for those the leves are intended for, people without a lot of time. -
08-09-2011, 12:32 PMAion
Do you use R49?
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08-09-2011, 12:41 PMMuruganWhat does this mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aion
And no a lot of XP for people who don't have a lot of time would be 15-20k. 35k makes it so everyone without a perfect static they can join as soon as they log on either has to do guildleves or they are going to level much slower. Just like it was pre-1.18.
Now I'm all for guildleves being a viable option for leveling for those few who like them, or who can't play with other people. But this was the game's problem before, and the developers even admitted as much. People felt like they had to do guildleves every reset or they were missing out, and well using 2 skills on the same guildleve every 36 hours gets really old after a while (or an instant).
This is exactly why we need the party changes coming in 1.2 to balance this, however even still I think being able to get half a level from 49-50 on 8 guildleves is a little much considering how mindlessly simple they are. Maybe if you were pulling out all stops as this "super solo player", but I was using 2 skills. A basic attack and an aoe. I didn't even equip anything else, no buffs no other weapon skills, because there is no point. The mobs at that difficulty die so fast. -
08-09-2011, 12:48 PMArcell
Well to be fair you're doing R40 leves as an R49. Maybe if we had R50 leves they would be harder. Doing R30 leves as an R32 Marauder I had to use quite a few of my skills since I was doing them solo.
So you would be okay with 5 resets to hit 50 instead of 3? I mean the difference is only a few days really. And no you don't have to do them. I guess if you have to level as fast as you possibly can they're good to not miss but to what end? I dunno, I guess I just don't see the need to have everything to R50 as fast as possible. -
08-09-2011, 12:56 PMZdenka
Did Cedarwood+Cassopeia leves trio today, most on 5s and yarzon/devilts on 3s.
Higher levels gets more SP from bonus (I got 3800 with aspect on one at 27, the L31 got 4700).
Went 7/31k to 20/33k next level? or like 44k in 6 leves at 30s and it seems the XP rate just goes up more as you level up... in trio at 45 I should seem to expect 80k?!
Its a lot better now, can actually get rewards and such too instead of having to just save dunesfolk, ranine etc. -
08-09-2011, 12:59 PMNoctisUmbra
And how many leves can you do in a day? 8? Right.
How long can you run grind groups? As long as you want?Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcell
You can get from 46-49 in a matter of 8 hours (in 1 day) with a continuous grind party whereas you can only do 8 regional leves every 36 hours to get less than a rank's worth of sp?
Yea, no. Party grinding is still the focus of this game.
Leves have higher sp/hour, but that alone is meaningless since they are capped. In fact, they have higher sp/hour for that reason. So a casual player can log in briefly at their own leisure and still stand a chance to get some decent amount of sp. -
08-09-2011, 01:00 PMArcellDay and a half actually, to further press this point. One out of every three days doesn't have a reset.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra
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08-09-2011, 01:00 PMSilvertearRen
Honestly
You guys are so shortsighted.
What if they went back to the way they were right after 1.18, AND raised level cap? You'd rage.
ALWAYS remember, There is STILL a lot of content that has NOT been made live yet in XIV. Ishgard, for example.
When Ishgard opens, I am expecting a level cap raise. Level 50 is NOT the highest level in XIV. I imagine that it would be around 65-75.
So with that kind of progression in mind, the CURRENT SP gains from leves are PERFECT. Don't mess with it! -
08-09-2011, 01:02 PMMuruganIt's simple human behavior, it is not that hard to understand that people will choose the most efficient route unless there is either an internal or external impediment to it. This is why it would be balanced for solo activities to give less XP than group activities, but it is absolutely not balanced for solo and much easier activities at that to give more than grouping.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcell
Reward people properly for grouping, and reward people when they try to challenge themselves. That's all I want. It shouldn't be something people have to force themselves to do solely to prove something to themselves. If this is how shallow they want the leveling curve to be fine... but at least encourage people to seek a challenge.