If locked gear progression is still valued, why do sands/oil still flow free in Hunts

Earlier on today's live letter Yoshi-P was asked a question concerning the Unidentified Tome and the oils and whether or not they should be separate from the actual CT gear in terms of loot lockout:

Q7: Currently, there are many players that enter the Syrcus Tower to obtain an unidentified Allagan tomestone or oil of time. Due to this reason, there are a lot of equipment drops that go to waste. Is there any chance we can split the weekly lock out for the tomestone and oil?

A7: We currently do not have any plans of doing so since both the upgrade items and equipment may be an upgrade for a player.

So if he feels this way then why are people allowed to get said upgrade items at basically an unlimited pace per week from hunts? I am not against those items being obtained from hunts, but there really should be a limit if both CT and the Second Coil of Bahamut retain their own loot lockouts until Patch 2.4 - otherwise, where is the incentive to do other content besides hunts as they stand right now? The rewards remain too good, including the myth/soldiery drops, and SE has been slow to act.

At least he didn't say they were 'working as intended' I guess.

You still have to put time and effort into hunts. It's not a one run and done got my loot kind of deal. It takes a lot more effort to hunt 750 seals than to run 1 Syrcus Tower. I hope you can appreciate the difference in effort.

Add to that the difficulty of dealing with hundreds of other players and people pulling early. You can literally spend hours and get all of 50 points sometimes. The level of time commitment and ease of access is very different.

It's not like we go out, kill 1 mob, get a sand.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

You still have to put time and effort into hunts. It's not a one run and done got my loot kind of deal. It takes a lot more effort to hunt 750 seals than to run 1 Syrcus Tower. I hope you can appreciate the difference in effort.

Add to that the difficulty of dealing with hundreds of other players and people pulling early. You can literally spend hours and get all of 50 points sometimes. The level of time commitment and ease of access is very different.

It's not like we go out, kill 1 mob, get a sand.

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Unless of course that mob is an S and you've been blessed by RNJesus. (Apparently they're easier to get log drops from because it actually rolls three times... and you get a log for EACH success. According to my buddies on Excalibur there are already multiple screenshots of obtaining three logs from one S-rank.)

... but that's an outlier, of course. :D

Your doing something horribly wrong if your getting 50 seals in an hour. Can get more than that in 10 minutes simply afking in town and porting when someone posts a <pos> in linkshell chat then shouting for a group (or joining any of the hunt groups in PF)

Is it more effort than ST? No. More time consuming assuming you get one your 1st run? Yes. More time consuming than it will likely take? No

30% drop rate so will take you several runs on average to even see one. Then you likely have a 1/7 chance of winning (lets assume 1 person in your group is dumb enough to roll on the earlier loot).

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Originally Posted by Zarzak

Your doing something horribly wrong if your getting 50 seals in an hour. Can get more than that in 10 minutes simply afking in town and porting when someone posts a <pos> in linkshell chat then shouting for a group (or joining any of the hunt groups in PF)

Is it more effort than ST? No. More time consuming assuming you get one your 1st run? Yes. More time consuming than it will likely take? No

30% drop rate so will take you several runs on average to even see one. Then you likely have a 1/7 chance of winning (lets assume 1 person in your group is dumb enough to roll on the earlier loot).

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LOL, you must live in a fantasy world where people actually wait for others to arrive before pulling/killing the monsters. Either that, or you're blessed to be on a server that has people that want to help themselves AND others vs. just helping themselves.

If you're only sitting at an outpost or town until the elite mark is announced in party or ls, you're being a selfish leech that should be kicked out of all those.
When I do hunts, I regularly check my party to make sure that they're actually contributing instead of just waiting for the marks to be announced.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

LOL, you must live in a fantasy world where people actually wait for others to arrive before pulling/killing the monsters. Either that, or you're blessed to be on a server that has people that want to help themselves AND others vs. just helping themselves.

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That's exactly what I was thinking. That player clearly doesn't understand just how bad it can be. Especially on a highly populated server. It's bad and Syrcus tower with unlocked sands would be by far faste and with much less headache. Nothing like having my own teammates right there when it spawns so we get the first heads up only to have some group run up before we all gather and kill it.

Also if he were in my party sitting in town I'd boot him from my group. Go out and help or get out you waste of space. You're just leeching off the hard work of others then go on talking about how easy it is.

I think most people missed the point of the thread. It's not that you can get the items from allied seals. It's that there's no limit to how many you can get, except how many seals and logs you can get. Whereas in other content, you ARE limited in how many you can get.

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Originally Posted by ispano

I think most people missed the point of the thread. It's not that you can get the items from allied seals. It's that there's no limit to how many you can get, except how many seals and logs you can get. Whereas in other content, you ARE limited in how many you can get.

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No, I'm in total agreement with this. There should not be an unlimited amount of seals per week. There should be a restriction that allows you enough to get say one sand per week.

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Originally Posted by ispano

I think most people missed the point of the thread. It's not that you can get the items from allied seals. It's that there's no limit to how many you can get, except how many seals and logs you can get. Whereas in other content, you ARE limited in how many you can get.

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Yea, it's a contradiction to be sure. Should have been one sand/oil per week from the get-go. Kinda late now, though.