the relics weapon deserved to be a ilvl 115, not ilvl 110

I believe that novus and all future relic advance should be the exact ilvl as.the highest coil turn.I say this because the amount of effort now to get to relic weapon highest form now matches the effort it takes to get. coil. the reason why 2.0 relic was nerfed to just ilvl 90 because players could get their relics in a short amount of time opposed to coil players, who devote more time to the turns. This is no longer the case .

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Originally Posted by Rankina

Absolutely not. The time can be the same, but difficulty? Grinding fates and melding materia, does not even come CLOSE to Turn 9. Besides, you're level 25. Lol.

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Originally Posted by Empressia

OP IS FAIL TROLL , looking at his lodestone he only got GLD 16 MRD 25 CNJ 1

TOO BAD OP TOO BAD, better troll harder somewhere else

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hmm, did the thought that this is just an alt account and not my true account because forum banned my main, ever occur to any of you guys?

btw i have two atma weapons war and mnk (war is near completed and the mnk weapon is 4 books in)
i would response to the other , but daily post limit is up, chat back later though

quick one though

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Originally Posted by ruinedmirage

The real question is, what are you going to DO with that i115 relic

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well, i dont know about everyone else, but a ilvl115 weapon is the BiS for pvp, yes the other combat content that exist in this game. so there, that is another use for a ilvl115 weapon.

Ya i agree when i saw the amount of work i have to do i would say it should be 115. Seeing how once crystal tower come out getting a 110 would be easy due to sand/oil drops.

But i guess there mind set is that getting 115 coil wep is harder because less people would get to that point vs a quest that just take time.

I disagree, OP. Beating T9 requires dedication and skill from one's self and one's team, on top of getting lucky with the drops (1 in a 9 chance to get your job's weapon per weekly kill), whereas these new relics require time and patience. Even if it takes a lot of effort, you essentially spam easy-to-do stuff all over again and can achieve it playing solo. Neither of this applies to getting the High Allagan weapon. i110 is perfect to keep it relevant and good, but making it so that there's something for the raiders to look forward to.

Just to clarify, I am basing this on the pre-2.4 status quo (HA 115, Novus 110), who knows if the system is going to change later on, with the next tier of relic upgrades requiring you to do something not soloable. If that becomes the case, then yes, I'd say it would deserve to be equal in ilvl, but if the current pattern continues, then the relics being -5 ilvls to the latest turn's weapons sounds fair to me.

I understand your grievance Zulu; however, I disagree.

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Originally Posted by Rankina

Absolutely not. The time can be the same, but difficulty? Grinding fates and melding materia, does not even come CLOSE to Turn 9. Besides, you're level 25. Lol.

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They have the "Time vs. Difficulty" and "Time = Difficulty" debate all the time in the PlayStation trophy community (when it comes to platinum trophy acquisition), and it's always a pretty entertaining read.

Comparing Relic to Coil imo, is like comparing the platinum trophies of White Knight Chronicles 1&2 or Star Ocean 4 to Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 or Vanquish.

Absolutely not. The time can be the same, but difficulty? Grinding fates and melding materia, does not even come CLOSE to Turn 9. Besides, you're level 25. Lol.

I think it would take longer for 8 people to get Novus than for them to learn coil 1-9. Of course that requires 8 consistent people with an above average level of skill, but still.

More untrue words have never been spoken. The fact that you can customize the stats on your relic means that for some classes, should relic become ilvl 115, would put it above their high allagan counterparts. which is ludicrous for any game that wants to take end game content seriously. If anything, I find the relic too powerful and should be nerfed slightly.

By your logic, Levi EX weapons should be ilv75 because they're easier to come by than the Relic Weapon themselves.

Beating turn 9 is far less effort than this quest, unless you or the people you're raiding with suck. The only hard part of Coil 2 is finding a competent group, not the content.

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Originally Posted by Xenor

Beating turn 9 is far less effort than this quest, unless you or the people you're raiding with suck. The only hard part of Coil 2 is finding a competent group, not the content.

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So think about that for a moment. If it's so hard finding competent people(I agree here actually), that means there's very few of them. That means very few people are skilled enough to do the content and get the weapon. But Relics, anyone can get, just takes a while. There's a reason they decided to make Coil weapons the best, and said they would be the best.