There should be more punishment!

First, why are people queuing in Duty Finder only to leave as soon as the dungeon begins?

That being saud, I think a 30-minute penalty isn't enough. One thing that COULD be done is:

- Keep the 30 minute lockout from content.

- Apply a 60-minute lockout from getting loot of any kind (except gil or items collected from a side quest).

I bet this keep players IN the dungeon or help to decide if they really want to queue to begin with.

It's 11:34am right now. I have yet to complete a dungeon for my Atma quest since 8:42am.

Yeah, people are being silly, but think of it this way: Their leaving opens a spot in party where everyone who hasn't left is willing to tough out the dungeon. Try queueing in progress more often and you'll probably find a 0/3 where your role left.

I propose that a persistent debuff (24 hour duration which is refreshed if another stack is added) be applied if you leave a duty first (or are vote kicked/voted to kick), and if it reaches 3, DF functions are locked out. I also propose this debuff be viewable by anyone as a shaming mechanic, and that vote kicking someone denies them the ability to collect that days tome bonus from that roulette.

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Originally Posted by r2rknot

(or are vote kicked/voted to kick)

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I don't like this. I understand punishing somebody for leaving the dungeon early, but not for votekicked.
You are already punished by your party by forcing you to not finish the dungeon, it would be unfair to get another punishment.
And most of the time, the reason for votekicking a member is not a valid reason.

This crap again every few days another one of these posts comes up please just post in a existing thread...se can ignore lots of little threads but not a increasingly big one
I made a suggestion thread to prevent roulette abuse and it was pretty much ignored
at the end of the day the more tome grinds se puts in the worse it's gonna get IMHO

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Originally Posted by Sounders

I don't like this. I understand punishing somebody for leaving the dungeon early, but not for votekicked.
You are already punished by your party by forcing you to not finish the dungeon, it would be unfair to get another punishment.
And most of the time, the reason for votekicking a member is not a valid reason.

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Those people vote kicking also get the same debuff, so as to not make it attractive for abuse. Otherwise you get "Well I'm not doing this one, go ahead and votekick me, but I'm not tanking/DD'ing/Healing". And so far, every votekick I've encountered in my limited time has been pretty valid.

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Originally Posted by Ddmk

This crap again every few days another one of these posts comes up please just post in a existing thread...se can ignore lots of little threads but not a increasingly big one
I made a suggestion thread to prevent roulette abuse and it was pretty much ignored
at the end of the day the more tome grinds se puts in the worse it's gonna get IMHO

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Square Enix does need to polish up on their dungeon designing if its going to be the vehicle for advancement, I agree.

I'm more inclined to see the opposite happening. Total anarchy.

0 penalty for leaving.
All level 50 will have mandatory join in-progress.
No job restriction. Entirely possible to start a duty with 4 attackers.
Can change class in dungeon.
Vote kicking requires everyone's approval (except target), no reuse "cool-down". (vote kick immunity for 10min after one failed attempt against target)
Vote abandon removed.

Honestly I disagree with most of these suggestions. I understand wanting penalties for those who leave early but a blanket penalty just does not work. Since it's not appropriate to remove someone from the dungeon for being brain dead (which I've been finding more and more of lately), leaving the dungeon of my own volition is sometimes my only option. Sitting with a group of people and wiping on the same boss for hours is not my idea of fun. I'm all for helping others, but some people refuse to put in the time and effort to not waste other players time.

For example, I needed Sunken Temple the other day to complete my atma book. So I cued up on my tank and got into the dungeon. The "new player" think popped up. So I pulled like normal and announced mechanics that were pertinent to each pull or the boss. After we wiped at the first boss (half the party died to the first doom because they didn't understand the mechanic). We ran back and I kindly asked. If you are new to the dungeon please speak up and ask questions so we can explain the fight and help you. One of the players said, "I'm good been here before." complete silence from the other players. SO I explained again in more detail and we wiped immediately again. Same two players died. I asked them why they kept dying and they said, "Idk its hard" ...I asked what was hard and they said they kept dying and couldn't figure out what was hitting them. It was almost as if they had just completely ignored all my explanations. I then suggested that they should watch a video of the fight to help them learn the mechanics and they got pissed off. Really? you expect me to take the time to carry your lazy a$$ through the dungeon when your not willing to take the time to learn it.

At this point I just left the dungeon. I've got better more important things to do than to babysit people who should just go ahead and delete their account.

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Originally Posted by Nabian

Honestly I disagree with most of these suggestions. ... leaving the dungeon of my own volition is sometimes my only option.... waste other players time.

At this point I just left the dungeon. I've got better more important things to do ...

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For the sake of 1k chars, and to illustrate the OP point I shortened your response. You're exactly the reason this issue exists.

But your "this one time" is almost exactly that. One time. Numerous times have others had a 'role in need' go "lawlz not this one." leave and simply go eat dinner, queue. Those roles are not easily replaced. in addition, if you are leaving 3 times in a 72 hour period in my proposal, you are doing something wrong. Instances like yours are not common, while the other happens often. I don't' expect anyone that regularly leaves parties for ANY reason to enjoy being held accountable for the practice.