There should be more punishment!

[Jim_Berry]

First, why are people queuing in Duty Finder only to leave as soon as the dungeon begins?

That being saud, I think a 30-minute penalty isn't enough. One thing that COULD be done is:

- Keep the 30 minute lockout from content.

- Apply a 60-minute lockout from getting loot of any kind (except gil or items collected from a side quest).

I bet this keep players IN the dungeon or help to decide if they really want to queue to begin with.

It's 11:34am right now. I have yet to complete a dungeon for my Atma quest since 8:42am.

[Donjo]

Yeah, people are being silly, but think of it this way: Their leaving opens a spot in party where everyone who hasn't left is willing to tough out the dungeon. Try queueing in progress more often and you'll probably find a 0/3 where your role left.

[r2rknot]

I propose that a persistent debuff (24 hour duration which is refreshed if another stack is added) be applied if you leave a duty first (or are vote kicked/voted to kick), and if it reaches 3, DF functions are locked out. I also propose this debuff be viewable by anyone as a shaming mechanic, and that vote kicking someone denies them the ability to collect that days tome bonus from that roulette.

[Sounders]

(or are vote kicked/voted to kick)

I don't like this. I understand punishing somebody for leaving the dungeon early, but not for votekicked.
You are already punished by your party by forcing you to not finish the dungeon, it would be unfair to get another punishment.
And most of the time, the reason for votekicking a member is not a valid reason.

[r2rknot]

I don't like this. I understand punishing somebody for leaving the dungeon early, but not for votekicked.
You are already punished by your party by forcing you to not finish the dungeon, it would be unfair to get another punishment.
And most of the time, the reason for votekicking a member is not a valid reason.

Those people vote kicking also get the same debuff, so as to not make it attractive for abuse. Otherwise you get "Well I'm not doing this one, go ahead and votekick me, but I'm not tanking/DD'ing/Healing". And so far, every votekick I've encountered in my limited time has been pretty valid.

[Djarums]

I propose that a persistent debuff (24 hour duration which is refreshed if another stack is added) be applied if you leave a duty first (or are vote kicked/voted to kick), and if it reaches 3, DF functions are locked out. I also propose this debuff be viewable by anyone as a shaming mechanic, and that vote kicking someone denies them the ability to collect that days tome bonus from that roulette.

I got vote-kicked from a lvl 31 dungeon as a lvl 50 whm for trying to help explain a fight we kept wiping to because the dps didn't want to do anything but stay on the boss and not kill additional mobs needed to complete the dungeon.

The tank and I qued as a party and the dps qued as a party. 2 votes are needed to kick.

So you are saying I should be punished for trying to help?

[Ddmk]

This crap again every few days another one of these posts comes up please just post in a existing thread...se can ignore lots of little threads but not a increasingly big one
I made a suggestion thread to prevent roulette abuse and it was pretty much ignored
at the end of the day the more tome grinds se puts in the worse it's gonna get IMHO

[r2rknot]

This crap again every few days another one of these posts comes up please just post in a existing thread...se can ignore lots of little threads but not a increasingly big one
I made a suggestion thread to prevent roulette abuse and it was pretty much ignored
at the end of the day the more tome grinds se puts in the worse it's gonna get IMHO

Square Enix does need to polish up on their dungeon designing if its going to be the vehicle for advancement, I agree.

[Poringing]

I'm more inclined to see the opposite happening. Total anarchy.

0 penalty for leaving.
All level 50 will have mandatory join in-progress.
No job restriction. Entirely possible to start a duty with 4 attackers.
Can change class in dungeon.
Vote kicking requires everyone's approval (except target), no reuse "cool-down". (vote kick immunity for 10min after one failed attempt against target)
Vote abandon removed.

[HazelNyan]

I'm more inclined to see the opposite happening. Total anarchy.

0 penalty for leaving.
All level 50 will have mandatory join in-progress.
No job restriction. Entirely possible to start a duty with 4 attackers.
Can change class in dungeon.
Vote kicking requires everyone's approval (except target), no reuse "cool-down". (vote kick immunity for 10min after one failed attempt against target)
Vote abandon removed.

THIS is brilliant, i think.
Would pretty much remove the problem completely.