Community misconceptions in regards to Atma

Things the community want to change
No FATEs
No RNG
Sense of progress
Fun while obtaining

Things the community are NOT asking for
Easy mode
Atmas to be obtained faster
"Instant" gratification
Free Atmas


I am making this thread because many continue to assume that because we find the first part of the Atma quest to be flawed, we "don't want to earn it". This is incorrect. We want to earn it and this is precisely why we want it changed.


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Originally Posted by Syrellaris

Nobody hates RNG, well at least most doesn't. When RNG is done right that is. Which here it isn't.

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To clarify, this has been the general feedback for the change to the Atma quest that has been misconstrued. Yes, there are people who don't mind RNG but hate FATEs (me for example) some people who don't mind FATEs but don't like RNG and even some who just want the whole thing changed all together but this is about the hyperbole arguments that keep popping up in every thread. It's counter productive

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Originally Posted by Gelesto

By the community you mean the vocal minority? what about the people that don't stop mid farming to complain about stuff and just get on with What they want to do.

If you want something you go out and get it, not sit about complaining because you don't have it already, if other people can do it so can you

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This is has nothing to do with a vocal minority and no amount of anecdotal arguments about who is the minority will change that. Also, the argument that I can do it because others have is false. I'm at the mercy of RNG and no amount of me doing FATEs will make me more or less likely to get one.

Absolutely agree, I was stuck 11/12 with southern thanalan atma being elusive, I said in the party, argh this last atma is killing me, and some random guy started ranting about how we all want our animus weapon handed to us on a silver platter.
He was promptly kicked from the party for being a douche, because none of us had even said anything even close to that, but I see it on forums too, people make suggestions and a toxic few will pipe in about how they hate making the game easier and how people just want everything given to them.
They are the crowd I hopefully eventually will leave the game since they seem overly concerned about others playing style

Nobody hates RNG, well at least most doesn't. When RNG is done right that is. Which here it isn't.

By the community you mean the vocal minority? what about the people that don't stop mid farming to complain about stuff and just get on with What they want to do.

If you want something you go out and get it, not sit about complaining because you don't have it already, if other people can do it so can you

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Originally Posted by Gelesto

By the community you mean the vocal minority? what about the people that don't stop mid farming to complain about stuff and just get on with What they want to do.

If you want something you go out and get it, not sit about complaining because you don't have it already, if other people can do it so can you

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People who enjoy the Atma grind are the vocal minority. Spend 5 minutes talking to people in game and you'd see that

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

People who enjoy the Atma grind are the vocal minority. Spend 5 minutes talking to people in game and you'd see that

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Except they're not vocal first of all. The largest group is more likely the ones who just don't care either way.

Also, even if you had those changes, especially no RNG, it just took a LONG time per atma, people would still complain because it takes so much more work than the original Relic. It's the same way people are complaining at the change to the gap between tome gear and coil gear.

Yh , all those "instant gratification " d-bags are pretty annoying.....
I DID enjoy the atma grind ( apart from 13 hours hunting the 1st one....) but it wasn't creative in the slightest, more obsession feeding than fun?

Square Enix: "if it's not fun, you're doing it wrong" ...harhar

It's like the saying goes "You can lead a horse to water, then smell a wet horse."

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

People who enjoy the Atma grind are the vocal minority. Spend 5 minutes talking to people in game and you'd see that

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From my experience on the subject they are the vocal minority.

The rest boils down to the people willing to do the farm and dedicate time and effort versus the other group of people that don't see an exceptional gain for the time spent farming and believe that farming the Tidal Wave weapon is overall the better option than getting the Animus weapon itself.

Yet they forget that the Animus alternative will have future upgrades so while it's currently on par with its Tidal Wave alternative it will be way better in the future.

So for people rushing the content and that raid the easiest route to the best gear is basically Allagan weapon > Tidal Wave > High Allagan. Which has nothing to do with the Atma's RNG. Since they are more concerned with the overall time investment for the stats they get.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

Things the community want to change
No FATEs
No RNG

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That's like... 90% of the game right now. I'm surprised the community still stands despite this.