For those of you new to this game

If you are new to this game, you've probably encountered a lot of older players in dungeons who are huge jerks to you, and maybe a few helpful ones. However those players that are jerks to you aren't jerks to you because you're new, it's because you're not listening, or warning people that you are new.

If you are a new player, THEN SPEAK UP! More often then not, a veteran player in the party(if there is one) will explain the dungeon to you, and possibly even give you helpful tips on your class/job. But if you don't say anything, and are constantly screwing up, and making a mess of things, they will get mad. If you take the advice, and then jsut say screw it, IDC gonna do what I want, and mess things up for others, they are going to mad at you.

We're all new to the game at some point, and some of us aren't great players, and some of us are great players. No matter what you're skill level in this game is, WE ALL HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE. You are doing nothing but hurting yourself when you don't let people know that you are new. Asking for help is not a bad thing, it doesn't make you weak, nor does it make you a scrub. Asking for help and alerting others that you are new is a simple courtesy that will take you very far in this game, and will actually help you better yourself.

So please, do yourself a favor, and let others know you are new. Most people have no issue helping those who are new, but it is extremely hard to not be a jerk to new players when they don't speak up or don't listen. Don't let yourself become a victim.

Agreed. Earlier today I did Sastasha with my Gladiator that I'm leveling for Provoke. I was put with 3 people (no specifics) who were obviously new. No one spoke up, at all. We started the dungeon, me marking stuff and doing a good tank's job.One of the DPS starts hitting the other target, so I use more flash and some combo on it but then he first slips away. I proceed to tell them that I mark things in a certain order to make the run easier and more pleasant. They continue to hit whatever they want. The same DPS later starts pulling stuff before me and mess stuff. I tell him that I should pull since I'm the tank. No answer. We get to Captain madison (after 2 deaths each). I mark and start my usual rotation and flash a lot. Both jumps on Madison. They never talked. AT ALL. I checked and their language were English, so I'm sure they understood.
Bottom line is: If someone is talking to you or giving advice or you are new, PLEASE respond. It's common courtesy.

When i just started playing ffxiv i could not adjust to team chat color among all green and yellow messages combat generates, so i would miss most of chat during my first dungeon runs. SE should separate chat & important system messages from the combat junk by default.
People who act like jerks do not know any other way to communicate in certain circumstances (which is their flaw, not yours), so if you encounter one - just try to finish the dungeon and forget it.

As not a very new player i have to say there will be times more unhelpful and ignorant advices rather than helpful.
When taking an advice - pay attention why someone gives it. Either it is because you have an issue and he wants to help you (for example i tell healers to stoneskin self at the last boss in stone vigil). Or he gives you an advice how to help him (like saying to new tanks - i will aoe to kill faster so you just flash more) - this is not an advice and he just wants to finish the dungeon faster whatever it takes.

Also low level dungeons in ffxiv are close to failproof, many of them can be completed without a tank/healer or one dps in team. Experienced players should have no difficulties with new players and normally would not yell. Those who yell are usually quite mediocre themselves and need your help to progress.

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Originally Posted by lxSch

When i just started playing ffxiv i could not adjust to team chat color among all green and yellow messages combat generates, so i would miss most of chat during my first dungeon runs. SE should separate chat & important system messages from the combat junk by default.

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They are separated by default. The general Chat channel will not display combat information. It does include NPC text(not all of it, just some of it), But that is you're best bet. You can also create a new chat channel and set it to display party messages only as well.

Players have a lot to watch during a fight, particularly if it's unfamiliar. They've got to watch the enemies' health, actions, aggro levels, and debuffs (for when to re-apply DoTs). They've got to watch out for AoE attacks. They've got to watch the rest of the area so they'll notice if additional mobs show up. They've got to watch their own skill cooldowns, combo availablility, and TP and/or MP levels. Then there's the class specific stuff: Healers have to watch everyone else's health levels. Lancers and Pugilists have to watch their positioning. Tanks have to watch where everyone else is, both in relation to the mobs' facing directions and to make sure a mob isn't heading towards someone else.

Unless they've already configured notification sounds for party chat, the absolute last place anyone's going to be looking during a fight is at their chat log. (Unfortunately, the only chat that gets a sound by default is /tell, and RMT spam has ruined that one, so people associate that sound with something to ignore or blacklist, not something to pay attention to.) Other experienced players in the group are likely to have configured their chat log to notifiy them with a beep when a message comes up in the /party channel, so you can usually talk to them, but it's less common with new players who are more likely to be still running on default settings.

If there are new people in the group and you want to offer advice, you'll need the cooperation of the rest of the group, because you all need to stop in an area without enemies, where there's nothing to do other than talk to each other. Then you can have an actual discussion. If you can't get enough cooperation for that, you could still try and offer some advice on the run, but it's probably best to assume that such advice has maybe a 10% chance of even being seen, let alone understood.

Then, even if you get past that hurdle, if dealing with actual new players (as opposed to players who are simply new to the particular dungeon in later parts of the game), there's only so much advice they can incorporate at the same time that they're trying to keep track of the basic mechanics of the game. Advice can still be useful, but it might not be until their next run that they can do anything with it. I still remember my very first dungeon run soon after I started the game. I was having a hard time managing selecting an enemy to attack, or even seeing which one was selected. If anyone had offered me advice on, for instance, prioritizing which mob to target, it would have been wasted (at least at the time) because I couldn't prioritize which mob to target until after I'd learned to control which mob I was targeting, which in turn couldn't happen until after I'd reconfigured the visual effects settings so that I could see which one was targeted.

Then, of course, there's plenty of people who well-meaningly offer what's simply bad advice. Sometimes it's good information that's delivered badly, too loaded with jargon and game-specific acronyms that only experienced players would understand when they're talking to a new player. Other times the information itself is bad. I've heard plenty of "advice" from people who had clearly never played the class they were giving advice about and didn't understand how it worked. So sometimes, players don't follow advice because it just doesn't make sense to do so.

And then there are the obnoxious jerks who berate and belittle people and then try to pretend that that constitutes "helpful advice." Nobody's going to take advice from someone like that. Lets just hope those idiots don't manage to drive too many players from the game. Blacklist them whenever you come across one, and report them if it reaches the level of harassment.

Ok, lets clear something up here.

This isn't a discussion about people offering good or bad advice. If you are new to the game, even bad advice holds merit(it really does). If it gets you to the same end, then the advice isn't actually bad, it's just not the best. If people are purposely giving you wrong information to ruin your experience, then you have found a jerk. Yes there are some, but there are fewer then you think at low level. In fact, you're not going to run into many of them until you get to lvl50 content, when people have a false sense of bravado about them(please don't use the term elitist, because in fact it's being used incorrectly to describe these people). Point is, when you are new to a game, even bad advice is good(misleading information isn't advice).

Don't take this the wrong way, but there is NOT so much going on in a fight that you can't look at the chat log. Combat isn't complicated. And again, at low levels, there is nothing so bad that you are completely invested in only combat. Combat in this game is no more complicated then it is in any other game. I am not suggesting carrying a conversation mid combat, and in fact, you are able to read the chat log after combat. When a player is new, and getting advice on fighting a boss, what normally happens? They given the information BEFORE the fight. This means they're not in combat, not paying attention to anything other then the chat log. The excuse of "there is too much going on in combat" is not a bad excuse, it's not an excuse at all, it's completely wrong. Communication is a key point to games like this. If you're not communicating, or coming up with poorly conceived reasons as to why you cannot communicate, you're just making things bad for yourself, and others. being on a PS3/PS4 is no excuse either. You can by a simple USB keyboard for 10 bucks at walmart, you can even use the virtual keyboard, though it sucks, to communicate. You can make macro's for generalizing your communication(then it's only one button press away). Again, there is no excuse for not communicating.

All that is simply needed is for new players to speak up about being new, and ask for help. Even if the help isn't the best, it's still help, and it will still help them grow and better themselves. Remaining quiet, or basically spitting in the face of people that can help them does nothing more then make the community of the game look bad. Every thread that has ever existed about the mistreatment of new players by old players does nothing more then give the game's community a bad public image, an image that could be stunted, or possibly avoided altogether had people not let themselves be victims. Yes there will always be some jerks out there, but they are few and far between. Most of the people new players consider jerks, are only that way because they're patience has been worn thin.

Again, this isn't a thread about good or bad advice, or a place for coming up with excuses for why people can't communicate, this is a thread for the simple purpose of alerting new players that they're not going to automatically be treated like diseased animals if they just speak up. That new players need to stop allowing themselves to be victims.

This is actually really good advice. I don't even consider myself a "veteran" and I've been playing 2.0 since beta. But any time I enter a new dungeon or fight I always makre sure to inform people if its my first time! People are usually prety understanding if you're just straight with them.

So any time you enter a new dungeon just send a:

"Hello! This is my first time here!"

or if its a new class for you

"Hi, first time here as a healer!"

people will appreciate that and be much more patient and understanding.

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Originally Posted by soulofrebirth

They never talked. AT ALL. I checked and their language were English, so I'm sure they understood.
Bottom line is: If someone is talking to you or giving advice or you are new, PLEASE respond. It's common courtesy.

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I had this a ton of times already. Asking whether they needed an explanation, or needed tips or help: *dead silence*
A friend of mine reminded me of something. Most of these players are PS4 players and most don't have keyboards. Typing is a pain for them or nearly impossible. I don't own a PS4 so I can't judge.

I played on ps3 and now play on ps4. I ended up having to buy a keyboard to even consider being an effective team member. Before I bought my keyboard, from my experiences, I can guarantee you that the last thing a person wants to do is type using the ps3 / ps4 keyboardless method. Depending on how good you are with a controller it can take anywhere between 10 and 30 seconds just to type "Hi! I'm new!"

Not saying you shouldn't attempt to let everyone know you're new even if you don't have a keyboard but its definitely a huge chore.