Ex. Garuda- spiny plume fixing

Greetings. Why developers made spiny plume with agro, so only tanks can take it? Even DPS can not take spiny plume after 1-2 hits- agro is high. EX.Garuda is a great trial for tanks- to take clones, to take spiny plume. But almost impossible to find 2 good tanks without lags and knowing their class- warrior or paladin. Great amount of other players suffer because of tanks. Their role is absolute important here.

So, the Idea- to make spiny plume with ALWAYS ZERO AGRO, so it can be taken by any DPS using just one hit. spiny plume must not react on healing like on agro. Thank you

Or get a FC.

The plume appears with 100,000 enmity to one person, making "Provoke" the only skill that can take it off someone. I think its done as a strategy and honestly I don't find it that hard, if 2 tanks can't handle something as simple as a spinny, then I have no idea how they will survive on things like ADS and Titan Extreme where you gotta switch hate based on stacks, same principle.

Ok. I see. I see

I honestly think a lot of the fights they have designed lately are simply an excuse to justify their 4/8 man party system of 2 tank 2 heal 4 dps. Sure, a lot of these mechanics can be worked around with the right gear + skill combination, but I personally thing it is bad game design and will lead to make all job very basic. They already don't have enough party slots to even make bard, bard. No, instead it is some "hybrid' trash that Yoshi-P and his team dreamed up. I'll get some eye rolls for he comparison, but in XI and I liked ranger and I liked bard, but I don't like them combined at all. Back on topic, yeah, mechanics designed to fit the party system is the reason.

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Originally Posted by Mquickz

I honestly think a lot of the fights they have designed lately are simply an excuse to justify their 4/8 man party system of 2 tank 2 heal 4 dps. Sure, a lot of these mechanics can be worked around with the right gear + skill combination, but I personally thing it is bad game design and will lead to make all job very basic. They already don't have enough party slots to even make bard, bard. No, instead it is some "hybrid' trash that Yoshi-P and his team dreamed up. I'll get some eye rolls for he comparison, but in XI and I liked ranger and I liked bard, but I don't like them combined at all. Back on topic, yeah, mechanics designed to fit the party system is the reason.

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Even if the spiny didn't exist you'd need two tanks anyway for separating Suparna and Chirada.

The spiny should've been a caster mechanic. All they do is their rotation and get out of Friction... way too easy compared to the pressure that is tanking there (one mistake = wipe) and even melee who have to get out of Wicked Wheel.

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Originally Posted by Ri_ri

Even if the spiny didn't exist you'd need two tanks anyway for separating Suparna and Chirada.

The spiny should've been a caster mechanic. All they do is their rotation and get out of Friction... way too easy compared to the pressure that is tanking there (one mistake = wipe) and even melee who have to get out of Wicked Wheel.

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Not entirely, like speed run Garuda. To pull you'd get one of your strongest DPS take it and have all DPS move with them and then zerg the heck out of it, it would go down so fast that it makes the secondary tank not very important. It would be a lot riskier with no true enmity hold but its possible.

With what the other guy said, both Garuda and Titan only need 1 healer, so there are ways out of the 2/2/4

It's intentional so tanks have something to do in the razor plume phase, and moving the plumes comes at a heavy cost. The possibility of it being a 1 tank fight might arise if it wasn't this way, which in all the new content SE is clearly determined to avoid.

Just as a observation all the ex primal fights are very tank heavy, I feel like SE is compensating for the fact that most of the content before it was rather boring for tanks and most could be one tanked, breaking the default party composition. If it is a overcompensation though I don't know, maybe

If spiny plumes popped without aggro, it would just be glued to healers instead of to the random person. One hit would most definitely not secure aggro for a dps unless they introduced a totally new concept... I think they did well with the implementation, but I'm not a fan of the generic stack debuffs to force double tanks.

"People suck, so take out one of the mechanics of the fight"

How about teach them how to play or level that job and do it yourself?