My Experience as a Warrior Tank in Coils

Well I've gotten into a coils group, being brought in as a warrior tank, and well my healers haven't really complained about how hard it is to keep me alive. And I've been watching Paladin health on top of mine, seeing him getting hit just as hard as me % wise And I'm aware, most of the complaints is the amount of healing it takes to get me up over the pally. Though heals seem to be bigger even without the full 5 stacks of wrath, than on a paladin. Turn 1 was scary for me for sure, but then again it probably was for the pally as well when the boss started get around 5 or more stacks of hunger. Turn 2, that was easy on the tanking side. And I'm aware that I cannot help with Silence which I'll agree warriors do lack a lot of things.

I cannot agree that warriors are as bad as the community makes out. I've even recorded our kills in Coils turn 1 and 2.

Turn 1 < Click here
Turn 2 < Click here

And then as far as my group has gotten into Turn 4, I'll say Dreadnaught hit like a truck! But even as a warrior it wasn't too bad, only the cleaves were really bad, and I've gotten the timing down a bit, knowing when to blow a CD or an Innerbeast to keep myself high on HP. I'll update this thread as I go further in, and even hope to get to Turn 5 and try out MT'ing Twintavia.

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I honestly wish my coils group had a pld/war combo rather than pld/pld because I'd like more experience tanking WITH a war, the few times I have, when the WAR knew what they were doing it seems to go much smoother than when I was with another pld.

Edit: Not that I have anything against pld/pld (me and the other tank im my group work really well together ^_^)

Yeah I really don't have anything against PLDs either, and I'll agree double pallies works better for turn 2 in case an interrupter screws up. But ya know I'm trying to beat the stigma against my class of choice, it's a futile fight I know, but my group know's I'm good at what I do. Though I'll agree we lack a few things and there is a useless thing we got called "Storm's Path"

Warriors do lack utility, I can't say slightly more DPS is a true utility. But when done right we can shine as good as pallies.

Little tip for any warriors that do go into coils, save your inner beast for emergencies, keep your Wrath stacks at 5 so healers won't have such a hard time keeping you up. And on Turn 2, the way my group goes, the ADS gets the slashing resistance buff, so using Inner Beast is quite pointless, as the highest I've gotten back was 1.1k HP and that was off a crit with Maim up.

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Originally Posted by Damun

Yeah I really don't have anything against PLDs either, and I'll agree double pallies works better for turn 2 in case an interrupter screws up. But ya know I'm trying to beat the stigma against my class of choice, it's a futile fight I know, but my group know's I'm good at what I do. Though I'll agree we lack a few things and there is a useless thing we got called "Storm's Path"

Warriors do lack utility, I can't say slightly more DPS is a true utility. But when done right we can shine as good as pallies.

Little tip for any warriors that do go into coils, save your inner beast for emergencies, keep your Wrath stacks at 5 so healers won't have such a hard time keeping you up. And on Turn 2, the way my group goes, the ADS gets the slashing resistance buff, so using Inner Beast is quite pointless, as the highest I've gotten back was 1.1k HP and that was off a crit with Maim up.

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My FC have done some testing with WAR dps and if you remove your war soul to go back to Marauder, apparently you can out dps decked out dragoons. I couldn't tell you how since I wasn't doing the testing but I'm really glad to see people getting rid of the idea that WAR is useless.

I'm not saying they are perfect (neither is pld), but I think the balance is pretty good for launch.

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Originally Posted by Sephirah

My FC have done some testing with WAR dps and if you remove your war soul to go back to Marauder, apparently you can out dps decked out dragoons. I couldn't tell you how since I wasn't doing the testing but I'm really glad to see people getting rid of the idea that WAR is useless.

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Lol... Tell me, since both have the same core sustained buffs (+20% dealt and 10% vulnerability debuff) and DRG has higher potency (+20 on main combo, +150 on debuff combo, +100 on stun, plus 3 additional off-GCD attacks) and higher strength (+42) how exactly is MRD going to out-DPS a DRG? I'll give you a hint: it doesn't even come close.

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Originally Posted by Gamemako

Lol... Tell me, since both have the same core sustained buffs (+20% dealt and 10% vulnerability debuff) and DRG has higher potency (+20 on main combo, +150 on debuff combo, +100 on stun, plus 3 additional off-GCD attacks) and higher strength (+42) how exactly is MRD going to out-DPS a DRG? I'll give you a hint: it doesn't even come close.

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Really have you tested it? Again I wasn't the one doing the testing so I can't answer this. Maybe other Warriors who have done similar testing could let you know. When I get online next i'll ask the ones in my FC if they want to share. :P

Edit: If I had to guess, I'd say it's the fact they gain access to abilities like: Straight Shot, Raging Strikes, Venomous Bite, Impulse Drive, Invigorate, and Hawk’s Eye.

I can't find the thread that accompanied this video. In it he said what his gear and weapon was. Off of memory I think he was using "DPS" Ampador Keep gear usually worn by DRG or MNK which makes sense if he's gonna go into a DPS role and he was using either Garuda or Titan axe (doesn't really matter which, their weapon damage stats are the same).

In the video description he states that his DPS on a dummy is 205 as Warrior, 215 as Mara. Now those numbers are alright, but they're not close to out dpsing "decked out dragoons." With +1 and darklight gear, I get 230-250 on a training dummy. MNKs would be slightly higher. A BRD hitting the same dummy that has my Disembowel debuff on it (which they benefit from) would do slightly higher. BLM & SUM will do slightly higher.

And thing is, our gear can keep improving with AF2 pieces and Allagan and our DPS will slowly keep climbing while 215 will be around the absolute highest that Warrior will go as all the gear above it will be locked to classes so he can't use DRG/MNK gear or even his relic weapon.

EDIT: With Quintuple melding 1 & 2 star pieces, he may be able to get gear slightly better than AK DPS gear, around or slightly below DL level, but that will be prohibitively expensive and expecting a Warrior/Mara tank to spend that much gil on DPS pieces is not feasible for most players.

215 on a training dummy isn't outright bad and for most content, it'll be fine. But it's not enough to take the spot of a true dedicated DPS in any progression group.

But! I don't want to be a DPS, I'm a warrior tank! X.x

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Originally Posted by Damun

But! I don't want to be a DPS, I'm a warrior tank! X.x

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lol that's fine! ^_^

Sorry I wasn't trying to say you should be a dps or anything like that, I'm just saying that it's something they can do that initially people were saying they couldn't.

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Originally Posted by Sephirah

Really have you tested it? Again I wasn't the one doing the testing so I can't answer this. Maybe other Warriors who have done similar testing could let you know. When I get online next i'll ask the ones in my FC if they want to share. :P

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I don't have to. Mechanics aren't very complicated. What your FC did is the same thing that various others have "discovered" over and over: if you stack out Berserk, Blood for Blood, Raging Strikes, Maim, and Storm's Eye, you have high peak DPS, to the tune of 270% of base. For 20 seconds, you genuinely do good DPS. However, over time, you'll fall to around 10-15% lower DPS than DRG. It's not terrible, but it's not worth doing, and the inability to get an ilvl80+ weapon puts some rather large nails in the coffin. Wait for MRD's DPS job (Berserker or Viking, most likely) when you get more damage and fewer aggro issues.

//EDIT: Bossmoney pretty much beat me to it.