Frontlines sucks Ultra megathread

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Originally Posted by Elfidan

Yeah, you don't really deserve more than a quickly pasted gif. It only takes a glance to see what's going on with you.

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Ohh, pray tell, what is "going on" with me. Very curious about that. Especially since so far your analysis of the current Frontline situation has been pretty abysmal, as has your reading comprehension and quite frankly, your manners as well. You might as well just pile your armchair psychology credits onto the pyre as well. You tried to admonish dandelline for using the term "icelicker", and yet here you are, spewing nothing but vitriol in my direction. But I seriously doubt you view your own actions even remotely as critical.

This isn't middle school, your friends aren't at the sidelines cheering for you if you make some edgy comment. This is about Frontline, and so far the only argument you and the likes of Mawlzy have made, is that of Shroedinger's Premades / Commanders, which are both completely inept, and somehow single-handedly dominate every game against 60 other players at the same time.

So one major thing I want to get off my chest that REALLY drives me up a wall in Frontlines more than any other aspect of the game is targeting. It's not exactly great in the game overall, but in Frontlines Tab target and click target feels absurdly terrible and I scream because especially on NIN I might miss a clear kill shot because targeting is so poopy lol. It's a little better making a macro for nearest target to go along with the cycling target and adjusting settings, but even that feels so bad compared to what I'm used to.

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Originally Posted by AllenThyl

Ohh, pray tell, what is "going on" with me. Very curious about that. Especially since so far your analysis of the current Frontline situation has been pretty abysmal, as has your reading comprehension and quite frankly, your manners as well. You might as well just pile your armchair psychology credits onto the pyre as well. You tried to admonish dandelline for using the term "icelicker", and yet here you are, spewing nothing but vitriol in my direction. But I seriously doubt you view your own actions even remotely as critical.

This isn't middle school, your friends aren't at the sidelines cheering for you if you make some edgy comment. This is about Frontline, and so far the only argument you and the likes of Mawlzy have made, is that of Shroedinger's Premades / Commanders, which are both completely inept, and somehow single-handedly dominate every game against 60 other players at the same time.

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Is this really about FL anymore though? or is it more about accusing people about "vitriol" if you don't like their position. Because you've now done that with multiple people. Not to mention, almost every time you post, whether it's intentional or not, there's a sarcastic jab or insult included.

Typically if someone posts in good faith that wouldn't be done. So if it really IS about FL, why not just stick to talking about FL.

By the way, before anyone accuses me of being on anyone's "side", I just want to follow this thread without seeing any bickering.

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Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas

Is this really about FL anymore though? or is it more about accusing people about "vitriol" if you don't like their position.

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This is a discussion forum. What does "not liking their position" even mean? Like seriously, sit down for a moment and think about what exactly it is that you are hoping to happen? People come in here and say that Frontline sucks because of premades (to be more precise, pvp interested premades), while being apologetic about the part of the community that joins a PvP mode doing nothing but griefing or being generally uninterested in it all. They trash talk commanders as inept and useless, while at the same time humblebragging that they aren't really that good, but let's be honest, they really are amazing. Why should this kind of nonsense talk just be silently accepted in a discussion forum? Especially because even if they get their way and there is no more group queueing and somehow a skill based matchmaking system (however that looks), Frontline will still suck. Because the actual problems causing the situation are not the premades.

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Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas

Typically if someone posts in good faith that wouldn't be done.

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"Good faith" doesn't mean coming in blazing guns and blaming premades left and right for things they are not responsible for, or denigrating the author of a PvP guide, or implying that not having a certain (rather toxic) achievement is indicative of a lack of strategic skill, or conducting a witch hunt by accusing someone without any proof of participating in the harassment of another person.

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Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas

By the way, before anyone accuses me of being on anyone's "side", I just want to follow this thread without seeing any bickering.

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Well, Elfidan provided you with the perfect opportunity to put your money where your mouth is in the post below yours.

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Originally Posted by AllenThyl

This is a discussion forum. What does "not liking their position" even mean? Like seriously, sit down for a moment and think about what exactly it is that you are hoping to happen? People come in here and say that Frontline sucks because of premades (to be more precise, pvp interested premades), while being apologetic about the part of the community that joins a PvP mode doing nothing but griefing or being generally uninterested in it all. They trash talk commanders as inept and useless, while at the same time humblebragging that they aren't really that good, but let's be honest, they really are amazing. Why should this kind of nonsense talk just be silently accepted in a discussion forum? Especially because even if they get their way and there is no more group queueing and somehow a skill based matchmaking system (however that looks), Frontline will still suck. Because the actual problems causing the situation are not the premades.



"Good faith" doesn't mean coming in blazing guns and blaming premades left and right for things they are not responsible for, or denigrating the author of a PvP guide, or implying that not having a certain (rather toxic) achievement is indicative of a lack of strategic skill, or conducting a witch hunt by accusing someone without any proof of participating in the harassment of another person.



Well, Elfidan provided you with the perfect opportunity to put your money where your mouth is in the post below yours.

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So, the short answer, given the tone of your response- which , if you read it over, even if , let's say, there is a grain of truth to some of it - does nothing to encourage a discussion, but rather would provoke most people- it would seem is that no, you can't.

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Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas

So, the short answer, given the tone of your response- which , if you read it over, even if , let's say, there is a grain of truth to some of it - does nothing to encourage a discussion, but rather would provoke most people- it would seem is that no, you can't.

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So, you only come in to address the "tone" of my posts, but stay conveniently silent on the slander and blatantly false accusations of severe misconduct (harassing people isn't some minor misdemeanor) that are levied against me. Why? Because you "don't like my positions"? I thought that's not reason enough. But alas, here we are.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

You have this backwards, where premades are a large part of why nobody tries anymore because honestly, why would you?

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Because you queued for the duty, and agreed with the Terms of Service when creating your account which prohibits lethargic behavior. An argument could be made if your team would somehow be trapped from losing while being griefed at the same time, but since killing people gives points, and points are what decides a win, there is no stalling the game to engage in griefing. So yeah, stop with the excuses, if you can't be bothered to properly engage until the bitter end in the game you queue for, don't queue. The universe doesn't revolve around you, your ego will have to take a back seat when you join a team activity. The other team members who had the misfortune of getting grouped with you rely on your participation.

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Originally Posted by AllenThyl

So, you only come in to address the "tone" of my posts, but stay conveniently silent on the slander and blatantly false accusations of severe misconduct (harassing people isn't some minor misdemeanor) that are levied against me. Why? Because you "don't like my positions"? I thought that's not reason enough. But alas, here we are.



Because you queued for the duty, and agreed with the Terms of Service when creating your account which prohibits lethargic behavior. An argument could be made if your team would somehow be trapped from losing while being griefed at the same time, but since killing people gives points, and points are what decides a win, there is no stalling the game to engage in griefing. So yeah, stop with the excuses, if you can't be bothered to properly engage until the bitter end in the game you queue for, don't queue. The universe doesn't revolve around you, your ego will have to take a back seat when you join a team activity. The other team members who had the misfortune of getting grouped with you rely on your participation.

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I don't moderate these forums, it's up to you to take up a post with whomever moderates the forums, not me, and anyway I have no idea of who you are, so why would I ? (b) I find it amusing that those people who are oblivious to the tone of their remarks are so pikachu face when other people fire back.

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Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas

I don't moderate these forums, it's up to you to take up a post with whomever moderates the forums, not me, and anyway I have no idea of who you are, so why would I ? (b) I find it amusing that those people who are oblivious to the tone of their remarks are so pikachu face when other people fire back.

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Correct, you don't moderate these forums. You just come here to police my tone and score forum points or something, yet you say nothing about the person accusing me of having participated in harassment. Let es remind you of your own words, shall we?:

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Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas

By the way, before anyone accuses me of being on anyone's "side", I just want to follow this thread without seeing any bickering.

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Yeah, sure, "not on anyone's side". Completely delusional, like Elfidan with their "commanders are useless" shtick and Mewlzy with their "resistance" performance. Like what kind of self-serving egocentric world view does one have to have to think that an online discussion forum of strangers about a competitive game mode should somehow adhere to some personal standards when they don't even have the means of enforcing any of them? If you don't want this thread to have so much offtopic posts, stop coming in here to make nothing but offtopic posts. Your self-aggrandizing is just pathetic.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

If Rival Wings is anything to go by, people will still absolutely fail at pressing even 1 button while in a siege weapon (specifically, they use their 1 button on the wrong thing).
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You have this backwards, where premades are a large part of why nobody tries anymore because honestly, why would you? They're either going to spoon-feed you a win, or stomp you into the ground. I have been in matches where 2/3s of the alliance just had to mount up and /follow and we got our win without having to fire a single shot. I've also been on the opposite end, where nothing my team (plus the enemy team) could do to stop the premades. When you have several someones touting a 70%+ win rate, you literally don't need to do anything with them, or you can't do anything against them.

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I've been on teams that could win if they just stopped typing and started focusing on the fight at hand and not reviewing it in real time. Matter of fact, I have been on those teams.
Like yes, I did see them cut us in half, we can do that too if you stop complaining and launch back at them.
Unfortunately you get people who say "oh great, I got the losing team again" after one good attack. I've got news for those people. If you're always smelling shit? You might want to check the underside of your shoe. Premades help, but they're not a silver bullet.

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Originally Posted by Gunz_Zbestest

I've been on teams that could win if they just stopped typing and started focusing on the fight at hand and not reviewing it in real time. Matter of fact, I have been on those teams.
Like yes, I did see them cut us in half, we can do that too if you stop complaining and launch back at them.
Unfortunately you get people who say "oh great, I got the losing team again" after one good attack. I've got news for those people. If you're always smelling shit? You might want to check the underside of your shoe. Premades help, but they're not a silver bullet.

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Very smart person typing "get good lmao" while forgetting rng based spawns and there is another team running around in a match too you know. "Durr i always win blablabla"

Like legit think before you try to defend playing in a match against unfair advantage.