VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

I have that.

Let me tell you how it works.

You know how metallic wire doesn't obviously fit your forehead if you just make an arch? So it just kinda hovers there like the world's worst Star Trek visor?

Yeah, it's that.

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I had forgotten that detail. Well remembered.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Random Modder: ...so I just flipped a metadata switch, here, have your ears back. Also Square Enix went from having 8 faces to 16 faces per Hrothgar clan. You can only change to your counterpart hairstyle, and even then, you're changing your whole head model, not just the hair. We'll see what we can do.

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This just makes me feel so bad for the modders! Like they are that one person in customer service that is trying their hardest to help you with your problem, while SE is that one employee that plays on their phone all day and conveniently goes on breaks when a customer shows up.

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Originally Posted by Pip_Chick

This just makes me feel so bad for the modders! Like they are that one person in customer service that is trying their hardest to help you with your problem, while SE is that one employee that plays on their phone all day and conveniently goes on breaks when a customer shows up.

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https://c.tenor.com/F_CQoppwZ1QAAAAC...nd-to-work.gif

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Originally Posted by Pip_Chick

This just makes me feel so bad for the modders! Like they are that one person in customer service that is trying their hardest to help you with your problem, while SE is that one employee that plays on their phone all day and conveniently goes on breaks when a customer shows up.

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I'm not even joking when I say I know of one modder that messes around with Hrothgar hairstyles. They don't have any professional qualifications, just "I know how to do this and I find doing it cool ". Sometimes the process is easy and straightforward, sometimes they need to adjust the hairstyle a little to make it fit properly and not look like it's just detached from the head or something.

They don't let stuff just hang there, floating stiffly like wire on a bad wig. They don't turn your head into a peanut to pretend like stuff didn't get sloppily stretched to fit. They care. They are an amateur, but they put care into the stuff that they release, stuff that they aren't paid to do and took time that they didn't have to take to make.

Meanwhile this for Square Enix, with products with a certain quality like these, is such a rocket-science-impossible feat that they just give us stuff in that state and need to do the dumbest thing possible to our head models to make stuff work.

...I'll be cruel here. Really cruel. And I apologize because not only is it cruel-sounding, it's also cruel to say to someone who is Japanese. But no wonder they need to hire new people if this is the best they can do.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

I'm not even joking when I say I know of one modder that messes around with Hrothgar hairstyles. They don't have any professional qualifications, just "I know how to do this and I find doing it cool ". Sometimes the process is easy and straightforward, sometimes they need to adjust the hairstyle a little to make it fit properly and not look like it's just detached from the head or something.

They don't let stuff just hang there, floating stiffly like wire on a bad wig. They don't turn your head into a peanut to pretend like stuff didn't get sloppily stretched to fit. They care. They are an amateur, but they put care into the stuff that they release, stuff that they aren't paid to do and took time that they didn't have to take to make.

Meanwhile this for Square Enix, who's been able to give us stuff like this, is such a rocket-science-impossible feat that they just give us stuff in that state and need to do the dumbest thing possible to our head models to make stuff work.

...I'll be cruel here. Really cruel. And I apologize because not only is it cruel-sounding, it's also cruel to say to someone who is Japanese. But no wonder they need to hire new people if this is the best they can do.

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can't direct link wikia images my dude.

QUESTIONS:

Before I start, I'd like to quickly let everyone know that these are hypothetical questions and nothing will come of it, our current starter armour for both Viera and Hrothgar are here to stay and no high demand will change that. These questions are just my way of interacting with the community & I love hearing people's thoughts and different opinions. :) Think of all of this as a 'what if' scenario.

#3
A question of 'do you agree, what do you think? While I don't know much about Hrothgars lore, I would have loved it if they could receive an outfit that we saw in X. The outfit is defining for the Ronso, and it would suit the Hrothgar in FFXIV, the colours are vibrant and it'd be a nice tribute to their ancestors/previous appearance. My friend actually wanted me to ask this question, he's pretty obsessed with this outfit and he's hoping it'll be obtainable at some point, even suggested it should be an unlockable 'legacy' armour. Personally, I'd just like Hrothgar to be able to keep their claws without the use of their starter handgear but I digress. While I do love the current Hrothgar armour, it'd still be nice for FFX fans to receive this one.

https://i.ibb.co/nwT2Rx2/hrothgar-armour.webp

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Another question of do you agree, and what do you think? In an ideal scenario, I would have preferred if Viera had armor that was worn by those who reside in Eruyt village, the picture below shows what I would have liked the Female Viera to have as their starter gear. Please don't get me wrong, I do like Fran's armour, but the thing is it's unique to her character and only she was seen with it in XII, it does not represent Eruyt village where we allegedly came from. The way I see it, the colour contrast between Eruyt Village and Fran's armour resembles her disconnection from her old life... So personally, I think the metal-silver armour would have given us more individuality, as opposed to robbing Fran's wardrobe.

https://i.ibb.co/1bsdtt7/viera2-rend...an-d49hmd6.png

If anyone missed the previous questions, they're a couple pages back :) Feel free to answer those too if you like!

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

QUESTIONS:

#1
Would people have preferred it if the Veena were the Foel Viera?


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I have also seen quite a few people suggest that our Hrothgar's should go and visit the chiropractor, it's made me curious how many actually like the hunch. What do people think of the Hrothgar's posture?

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1- Yes. I can't see any differences between Ravas and Veenas, other than the skin color. It would be interesting to have sub races with more variations, as there is in the Hyur

2- I believe they tried to do an animalistic posture, but sincerely? I believe that a more upright posture would make them much more imposing.


I'll answer the other questions later XD

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Originally Posted by Denji

can't direct link wikia images my dude.

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Then I link the official Square Enix website for those same products. As well as the link to KH4's official announcement video in their Kingdom Hearts youtube channel. The effect is still the same: Photorealistic stuff? Totally doable. Viera and Hrothgar? Like building a perpetual motion machine.

I've heard from the guys over at Ubisoft who made Assassin's Creed 2 directly at a symposium in my friend's university say that the hardest thing about designing Ezio wasn't the character model, but the layered clothing. Hrothgar hair featuring ears comes nowhere near close as being layered clothing. No one is asking for Noctis levels of hair strands, especially not since Noctis himself is featured with play-do hair in this game.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/K002r6Sz4nY/maxresdefault.jpg

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

QUESTIONS:

Before I start, I'd like to quickly let everyone know that these are hypothetical questions and nothing will come of it, our current starter armour for both Viera and Hrothgar are here to stay and no high demand will change that. These questions are just my way of interacting with the community & I love hearing people's thoughts and different opinions. :) Think of all of this as a 'what if' scenario.

#3
A question of 'do you agree, what do you think? While I don't know much about Hrothgars lore, I would have loved it if they could receive an outfit that we saw in X. The outfit is defining for the Ronso, and it would suit the Hrothgar in FFXIV, the colours are vibrant and it'd be a nice tribute to their ancestors/previous appearance. My friend actually wanted me to ask this question, he's pretty obsessed with this outfit and he's hoping it'll be obtainable at some point, even suggested it should be an unlockable 'legacy' armour. Personally, I'd just like Hrothgar to be able to keep their claws without the use of their starter handgear but I digress. While I do love the current Hrothgar armour, it'd still be nice for FFX fans to receive this one.

https://i.ibb.co/nwT2Rx2/hrothgar-armour.webp

#4
Another question of do you agree, and what do you think? In an ideal scenario, I would have preferred if Viera had armor that was worn by those who reside in Eruyt village, the picture below shows what I would have liked the Female Viera to have as their starter gear. Please don't get me wrong, I do like Fran's armour, but the thing is it's unique to her character and only she was seen with it in XII, it does not represent Eruyt village where we allegedly came from. The way I see it, the colour contrast between Eruyt Village and Fran's armour resembles her disconnection from her old life... So personally, I think the metal-silver armour would have given us more individuality, as opposed to robbing Fran's wardrobe.

https://i.ibb.co/1bsdtt7/viera2-rend...an-d49hmd6.png

If anyone missed the previous questions, they're a couple pages back :) Feel free to answer those too if you like!

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Even the foreheads on these viera models are normal sized, idk what went wrong when SE designed the Viera or if it's a bug with the way the new hair fits but I really hope they fix it.

Viera be lookin like:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...24/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...50/unknown.png

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Originally Posted by Minthe

Even the foreheads on these viera models are normal sized, idk what went wrong when SE designed the Viera or if it's a bug with the way the new hair fits but I really hope they fix it.

Viera be lookin like:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...24/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...50/unknown.png

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The males got the same problem with certain hairstyles :,)