Final Fantasy XIV and a Culture of Enabling

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Originally Posted by Wavaryen

Not everyone learns at the same rate, and the game does not really teach you how to play your class at max level. In fact many players get better playing what we consider the wrong way and get decent at playing that way.


It is best not to assume that just because someone levels up to max, that they should know how to play.

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Depending on the job, you can figure out most of your stuff just by reading tooltips to be honest. White mage is partially like it

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

What I am saying, and have been saying for pages upon pages is to stop situations such as that from happening SE needs to put in more roadblocks that make a player look at and interact with their skills. Also that player, if they have no understanding of dots, is a negative gain to whatever party they get paired with.

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I mean they could do that, and people like her and my wife would not play anymore. Mmorpgs are more than just grouping with players.

Why are you playing a game if you are not interacting with the gameplay?

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

Why are you playing a game if you are not interacting with the gameplay?

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Because mmorpgs are more than grouping for content? I mean some players like my wife take what they enjoy about the class and don't use what they don't like.

Some people like my friends are really new to gaming and takes awhile for them to learn, and some just don't care to learn and can have fun without learning. Pick up and play.

Mmorpgs has all types.

I think having actual job tutorial in the game would help. Hall of novice only explains basic stuff and only focuses on roles, soit would be nice if at some points you could do actual job tutorial for some neat rewards

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Originally Posted by Wavaryen

It is best not to assume that just because someone levels up to max, that they should know how to play.

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if someone has spent 50+ hours (100+ assuming it's their first/only class) to level it to level cap, they're bound to pick one or two things up either by looking at what their co-healer does, reading their tooltips or getting advise by helpful players
if they do not know how to play their class at a semi competent level at that point it's completely on them, non-gamer or not, that's all what people want from less than optimal players: some basic competency
even if caurcas is playing the hardcore elitist thing up to 1000 at this point (and people fall for it), their message isn't wrong. and I say this as someone who doesn't touch high-end content at all

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

if someone has spent 50+ hours (100+ assuming it's their first/only class) to level it to level cap, they're bound to pick one or two things up either by looking at what their co-healer does, reading their tooltips or getting advise by helpful players
if they do not know how to play their class at a semi competent level at that point it's completely on them, non-gamer or not, that's all what people want from less than optimal players: some basic competency
even if caurcas is playing the hardcore elitist thing up to 1000 at this point (and people fall for it), their message isn't wrong. and I say this as someone who doesn't touch high-end content at all

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I mean it is on them, but if they are having fun and don't care. Who are we to tell them to stop doing that. Like I said, both sides clash on this issue. As long as it is not breaking the rules of the game. Not much players can do about it. And the developers has protected these types of players saying we can't tell them otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Arillyn

Hang on - FFXI and Everquest were hardly failed games. They are old MMOs for sure but not failed at all. Heck, people still play them and FFXI still makes SE plenty of money. So failed? Nah, they aren't.

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Especially EQ. It just got an expansion last year. It's a niche game and it does drive home the idea that certain ideas with older MMOs don't work in the current environment, but it's certainly not failed.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

You can edit your posts to bypass the character limit and put in everything you want to say into one post. I'm guessing you don't know this because of your last few posts. No need to use up your daily post limit so quickly if you edit just one post :)

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There's a daily post limit?

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Originally Posted by Nethereal

There's a daily post limit?

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Yeah it's like 20 posts if you are lv 50 or up or something. It's based off level.