Realm Reborn = downgrade?

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

i read your stupid OP and all i thought was "damn dont have these persons other problems NOW than WALKING ANIMATIONS" . SERIOUSLY?! (besides from watching very unfinished, bad quality video (tiny!) passages, to come to that conclusion is really aussum)

play the game first and then go on flaming. its just a retarded and ridiculous and very very annoying thread. hopefully it will end in the very last pages of this forum any day..

go and quit how you said many times in here... because the GRASS its too disturbing.. ah and well, the pre alpha walking animations.. i dont like what i see between the video part of 1:08 min and 1:10 minutes. havent you seen that?

i really feel sad for the developers.

one word for this thread : disturbing


and on the other hand i want to have provements. show me video passages which prove your conclusion of the animations being a downgrade. i gave you one as well.

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Even if the game was perfect, this community, will find a way to be like: " NOW THE GAME FEELS TOO REAL LIFE LIKE, I'M TRYING TO ESCAPE REAL LIFE, AND I HAVE TO PLAY A NEAR REAL LIFE GAME?! ARRGHGHH!" The animations can use improvements sure, but they are good "not great", all I really see that needs to be completed is a very good polishing.

However, if they can get better animations in, I'm all for that. There's more to a game then flashy animations.. we learned that lesson from 1.0 didn't we? XD

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Originally Posted by Gramul

...What?

filler

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..this:

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

nothing better to complain about, so now it is about animations in an alpha build? nice...........

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Even if the game was perfect, this community, will find a way to be like: " NOW THE GAME FEELS TOO REAL LIFE LIKE, I'M TRYING TO ESCAPE REAL LIFE, AND I HAVE TO PLAY A NEAR REAL LIFE GAME?! ARRGHGHH!" The animations can use improvements sure, but they are good "not great", all I really see that needs to be completed is a very good polishing.

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thats what i think so, too.

and besides that we have seen such less video footage so far, that i dont think that people can come to the conclusion of the animations being that poor. because most anmiations seem to stay the same

PLD WS in beginning of the trailer for example.. and the hume walking animation.. the emote animations are 1:1 the exactly same. so how can you call it a downgrade? have you played it at home already secretly?
the casting animations for mages right now for example are just horrible and non existant in the recent version.

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Originally Posted by Pandastirfry

1. There is quite a bit more going on when animations play than just "displays over hitboxes" but I'll let some better equipped say something about that

2. While physics, lighting and shadows can be toggled, the "advanced animations" such as walking and running are a completely different matter and if you can make one be fluid smooth and polished, and one herky jerky and clipping, and the difference between them is purely aesthetic, then we're right back to the question of "why have the toggle at all if it makes no difference?"

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As someone who's been studding game, cinematic, and traditional animation for over 4 years now, I think I'm fairly well qualified to discuss it.

As for why include it? Because it would make a difference to those of us who would want it. Like Shadows, Depth of Field, Physics, Ambient Occlusion, and to a different extent, things like Helmet, Weapon, and Meteor Mark toggle.

I don't know why that would upset you. Square's done toggles for aesthetics before, and replacing the animations and allowing them to be canceled out of shouldn't be too much of an issue at all, unless they got a really bizarre structure going.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

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Ah I'm sorry. After reading it a fourth time, I realize you meant to say:

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

I've read your stupid OP and all I thought was "Damn don't these people have bigger problems NOW other than WALKING ANIMATIONS?" . SERIOUSLY?! (besides from watching very unfinished, short bad quality video passages, to come to that conclusion is really awesome(?).)

Play the game first, and then go on flaming. It's just a retarded, ridiculous, and very very annoying thread. Hopefully it will end up in the very last pages of this forum any day...

Go and quit how you've said many times in here... "because the GRASS its too disturbing.. ah and well, the pre alpha walking animations.. I don't like what I see between the video part of 1:08 min and 1:10 minutes. Haven't you seen that?"

I really feel sad for the developers.

One word for this thread : disturbing.

And on the other hand I want to have proof/improvements(?). Show me video passages which prove your conclusion of the animations being a downgrade. I gave you one as well. because I can't even tell you for 100% that these animations are bad or good when I haven't played it yet. Rather than watching some bad quality vids.

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We came to the conclusion, because it was officially concluded by Square's staff. They're "focusing more on gameplay" Which strikes me as odd sense they where doing so many things for the aesthetics anyway. Like how jumping "Is only being added for those who want jumping", but at least for that they added more fences and cliffs. But more drastically (and perhaps more relevantly), things like new races.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

your flaming is just and very based on presumptions i totally disagree with you besides that your disposals are very inappropriate.

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...What?

Are you trying to make another "no drg for pt" post or something? (XI veterans will understand)

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Originally Posted by Nemy

...What?

Are you trying to make another "no drg for pt" post or something? (XI veterans will understand)

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if you have nothing to tell then just leave it nemy. you cant even stay ontopic in your own thread. *sigh.
XI veterans seem to know well how to flame?

i have some nice walking animation for you.. but please be gracious.. its pre-alpha stadium as well.
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x...94/walking.gif

see how fluent these walking animations are?

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Originally Posted by Gramul

As someone who's been studding game, cinematic, and traditional animation for over 4 years now, I think I'm fairly well qualified to discuss it.

As for why include it? Because it would make a difference to those of us who would want it. Like Shadows, Depth of Field, Physics, Ambient Occlusion, and to a different extent, things like Helmet, Weapon, and Meteor Mark toggle.

I don't know why that would upset you. Square's done toggles for aesthetics before, and replacing the animations and allowing them to be canceled out of shouldn't be too much of an issue at all, unless they got a really bizarre structure going.

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Yet again, lighting, shadow and physics toggles have no effect on actual gameplay mechanics where as movement animation have a direct effect on them, there is a reason why in every game in the market you can turn off physics, lighting and shadows, but not a single one allows you to change basic movement and gameworld interaction animations. There is a fundamental programming aspect into HOW your character moves that goes on behind the scenes that, allowing you to "toggle" a completely different animation set would need to address

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Originally Posted by Pandastirfry

Yet again, lighting, shadow and physics toggles have no effect on actual gameplay mechanics where as movement animation have a direct effect on them, there is a reason why in every game in the market you can turn off physics, lighting and shadows, but not a single one allows you to change basic movement and gameworld interaction animations. There is a fundamental programming aspect into HOW your character moves that goes on behind the scenes that, allowing you to "toggle" a completely different animation set would need to address

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And it won't effect gameplay if you let it clip out. Interchanging animations shoudn't be any harder than incorporating them in the first place. Have the replacement skeleton on a standby folder, reinstate the old end cycle animations after specific movements, and allow them to be canceled with other inputs.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

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thats what i think so, too.

and besides that we have seen such less video footage so far, that i dont think that people can come to the conclusion of the animations being that poor. because most anmiations seem to stay the same

PLD WS in beginning of the trailer for example.. and the hume walking animation.. the emote animations are 1:1 the exactly same. so how can you call it a downgrade? have you played it at home already secretly?
the casting animations for mages right now for example are just horrible and non existant in the recent version.

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This is EXACTLY, why they didn't want to show Gameplay footage.. because of these types of "reaction" to a a Game thats not even in Alpha State yet ~.~. But if they didn't show the gameplay footage, then people will have a hissy fit, that they aren't giving information!

SE has their hands full :/.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

if you have nothing to tell then just leave it nemy. you cant even stay ontopic in your own thread. *sigh

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

i read your stupid OP and all i thought was "damn dont have these persons other problems NOW than WALKING ANIMATIONS" . SERIOUSLY?! (besides from watching very unfinished, short bad quality video passages, to come to that conclusion is really aussum)

play the game first and then go on flaming. its just a retarded and ridiculous and very very annoying thread.

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-Comes in raging in CAPS about the very existence of this thread
-Ignores literally everything said in the OP
-Ignores literally everything said in this thread
-Posts picture of grass implying all these people complain about nothing
-Calls my OP "stupid", "retarded" and "ridiculous"
-Get's offended when i suggest he should gtfo

And now....

-He wants me to ..."stay on topic".

No Tonkra, my suggestion still stands. You're everything that is bad in these forums.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

This is EXACTLY, why they didn't want to show Gameplay footage.. because of these types of "reaction" to a a Game thats not even in Alpha State yet ~.~. But if they didn't show the gameplay footage, then people will have a hissy fit, that they aren't giving information!

SE has their hands full :/.

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But we know for a fact that they're removing the animations:

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

While the animations were nice, the development team's number one focus in A Realm Reborn is on gameplay (I have difficulty believing this) so even though they were nice animations, the team made the decision to remove them.

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We don't know that they're changing it, keeping it as it is, or adding it for the release, but unfortunately no one has told us the plans so the discussion is still up in the air.