Another one. This primarily hits on how lack of communication can cause problems. (SPOILER: This does give away a little of the story for Tam Tarra HM).
I'll tell the story using the logs. I signed up for the Expert Roulette and get Tam Tarra. The only thing I notice is that a few of the players are stopping to read all of the "parchment" items scattered throughout the dungeon. But I'm not to worried, since this shouldn't be that hard of a dungeon.
The players:
Summer Rider (me) - SCH
New Guy - WAR(?)
The Dragoon - DRG
Friendly Bard - BRD
[19:26]Duty registration complete.
[19:28](Summer Rider) Hello all
[19:28]The Tam-Tara Deepcroft (Hard) has begun.
[19:33]The hostile presence has vanished. You may proceed.
[19:35]The hostile presence has vanished. You may proceed.
[19:37]The interring chamber will be sealed off in 15 seconds!
[19:37]The interring chamber is sealed off!
[19:38]Liavinne: Urgh... I told them she was weird...but they wouldn't listen...
[19:38]The interring chamber is no longer sealed!
[19:38]You obtain 20 Allagan tomestones of mythology.
[19:38]The loot list has been updated.
[19:40]Dantalion exudes pure wrath!
[19:40]The hostile presence has vanished. You may proceed.
[19:42]Dantalion exudes pure wrath!
[19:44]Dantalion exudes pure wrath!
[19:45]The hostile presence has vanished. You may proceed.
[19:47]You perform an elegant bomb dance for Paiyo Reiyo.
[19:48]Paiyo Reiyo: I...I can't move my body! Help me!Quote:
So at this Point we are at the 2nd boss. We've been in the dungeon for about 20 minutes. I decide to dance with Paiyo while waiting for 2 of them to get into the room. They all get in the room and then just stand there. This is after it's taken them 2 minutes from the last fight to get here. I give them 10 sec more, and then decide that maybe they don't know how to start it. So I run up and say high to Paiyo.
[19:48]The Tomb of King Galvanth the Dominator will be sealed off in 15 seconds!
[19:48]The Tomb of King Galvanth the Dominator is sealed off!
[19:48](The Dragoon) k mister healer , our friend first time letting him know the story
[19:48](Summer Rider) first time any of you have talked I thin
[19:49](Friendly Bard) Heal paiyoQuote:
Oh wow, they can talk. First time any of them have spoken the entire dungeon. The fight is actually going bad. I think both the WAR and the DRG like to stand in the AOE on the ground. It's to the point where I'm barely able to keep the WAR at a constant health, since my heals are just getting countered by the AOE. Also a few of the attacks were to close to Paiyo.
[19:49](Friendly Bard) Were on ps4 chat
[19:50]The Tomb of King Galvanth the Dominator is no longer sealed!Quote:
I see that Paiyo is almost dead, so start healing him back up to full. The WAR has learned not to stand in the AOE and so has moved out of it. The DRG, not so much, and so finds the floor nice and comfy. I rez him and we beat the boss.
[19:50]You obtain 30 Allagan tomestones of mythology.
[19:50]The lifeforce released from the creature's corporeal shell has gathered to form an aetherial flow.
[19:50]Paiyo Reiyo: I...I can't stand being here any longer. I'll see you outside!
[19:50]The loot list has been updated.
[19:50]The loot list has been updated.
[19:51](Friendly Bard) Sigh
[19:51](Friendly Bard) The Dragoon dont
[19:52](Friendly Bard) U guys over reacting
[19:52](New Guy) Dont be an ass and dont pull bosses
[19:52](Summer Rider) lol at missing the conversation but guessing the context.
[19:53](Friendly Bard) Ugh
[19:57](Summer Rider) so going to fill me in on the status or should I keep guessing at your intentions?Quote:
I'm assuming the DRG initiated a vote kick on me, but I'm not sure. That is my only guess on what they were talking about. For some sad reason this actually excited me. Would they actually kick me from the run? Will they wait until just before the last boss and then kick me? What will they do? We only kill the next 6-8 mobs and get to the "pre-boss" fight with the floating orbs that explode if they touch you. I think the WAR touches one and sees it start to go off, and then runs back into the tunnel. At witch point the three of them group up mid way back and just stand there.
[19:57](New Guy) Talking bout end fight
[19:57](Summer Rider) k thanks for the update. it helps
[19:58](Friendly Bard) explainning to New Guy ^_^
[19:58](New Guy) v_v
[19:59](New Guy) ^_^ >_> v_v <_<
[20:00](Friendly Bard) The Dragoon come onQuote:
Yeap. I had to ask them what they were doing. They apparently decide on their plan of attack. It must involve down, up, right, down and then left. I still don't know what that signals, but hope I can figure it out, by watching them. Everyone but the DRG comes to the edge of the tunnel.
[20:05](Friendly Bard) Wait
[20:05]New Guy earns the achievement “Remapping the Realm: Tam-Tara Deepcroft”!Quote:
At this point the WAR starts the fight, so I jump in and heal. I'm not sure if the DRG is going to get involved or continue to stand in the tunnel. I think we get mid way through the fight and then the DRG joins in. So there for a while it was just the WAR, BRD, and myself (SCH) fighting the mobs. I had figured that the DRG was being grumpy that the kick didn't work earlier, and so had told them that he wasn't going to do anything. (That's just conjecture as I was making up the story by watching their actions at this point) We get the fight over.
[20:07]Friendly Bard has initiated a ready check.Quote:
Since the blow up from pulling the 2nd boss, I'm not going to initiate this fight. I'm just going to watch to see what they do. Talking does not seem to be one of their strong points, and I'm trying not to antagonize them any more, since they are a bit touchy. (just get done with the fight, just get done with the fight)
[20:08]Ready check complete.
Ready: 4/4
Not Ready: 0/4
[20:08]Edda Pureheart: Thank you ever so much for coming to our wedding! Your body means the world to Avere!
[20:08]Eternal Calm will be sealed off in 15 seconds!
[20:08]Eternal Calm is sealed off!
[20:08]Edda Pureheart: Your wait is over, my love! All you have ever dreamed of is right here!
[20:08]Edda Pureheart: To have and to hold, for better or for worse, for richer or for poorer...
[20:09]Edda Pureheart: In sickness and in health, to love and to cherish...till death us do part!
[20:11]Eternal Calm is no longer sealed!Quote:
You know this is the first time I've actually read her wedding info.
[20:11]You obtain 50 Allagan tomestones of mythology.
[20:11]You obtain 45 Allagan tomestones of soldiery.
[20:11]You obtain 35 Allagan tomestones of soldiery.
[20:11]A bonus of 0 experience points and 4,500 gil has been awarded for using the duty roulette.
[20:11]The loot list has been updated.
[20:11](Summer Rider) enjoy your runs. thanks for the communication at the end.
[20:12](New Guy) Np
[20:12]The Tam-Tara Deepcroft (Hard) has ended.Quote:
Yes I was trying to "jab" them at the end. At this point there was nothing they could do to effect me.
[20:12]You received a player commendation!
This I think is the 2nd time I've done a dungeon where everyone else is a PS4 player and they are all talking, and don't understand why I can't intuitively grasp what they want when they don't communicate with me. I looked them up and they were from the Diablos server I think, so at least I won't run into them on my server. I do feel bad for then next healer they get stuck with though.Quote:
Well I guess one commendation is better then none. I was actually expecting none. I did give mine to the BRD. I guess I should be happy we finished in under an hour.
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09-04-2014, 11:06 PMSummerRider
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09-05-2014, 01:55 AMVanilleFang
First thing just a quick explanation: Me and my brother's share an account. The one used was our first character but after obtaining SMN we decided to make our own separate characters. I main a Hyur Male SCH now, and I just recently hit level 50.
So I have two stories, both of which occurred earlier today sadly enough.
The first story takes place in Sastasha, a dungeon I have never had trouble in before and half-AFK in because Eos can easily keep up with the healing. Well, right when the first fight started I REALLY looked at the tank. I was shocked. He was running ~lvl 8 equipment and had 277 HP and went to below 150 every attack. Its not that he was going to die (my heals were hitting for 170+ and Eos was healing, constantly, for ~120 but the fact that I had to run the entirety of Sastasha without being able to DPS (except the random Bios here and there) kind of upset me. It was a VERY slow run (especially since he HAD to do a full one) and even the boss actually needed me to pay attention for once (halving the tanks health in one swing). It was a change, for sure, but it wasn't one that I would say I enjoyed. It wasn't just that he was weak, it was the fact that everyone else could tank better than him, even Eos, but he never stopped using Flash. It wasn't his first time doing the dungeon either.
The second story, surprisingly, does not include the tank as the object of annoyance but a monk. I did Low Level Duty Roulette (For Healer Bonus Gil) and landed in Dzemael Darkhold. I was excited, I love this dungeon and have ran threw it many times since I unlocked it. I could tell right away that I wouldn't be able to rely 100% on Eos heals and go Cleric stance this run (Tank had <4000 HP) which is fine, I just knew it was going to be slower, and after checking his equipment (ilvls <40 on average) the tank was going to need me to heal them almost exclusively on some of the bigger pulls. The Tank mentioned that he KNEW he wasn't strong enough to do a speed run, I told him that it was fine and that I was up for whatever. The BLM and MNK said they've done it before and they were fine with that.
Well, it went fine for the most part until the first boss, this is when I knew the monk was going to be a problem. I have never had trouble with the All-Seeing Eye before this run, not ever. Even on my first run I was in Cleric stance DPSing with the rest of them to take it down faster to get on with the dungeon. Well, no luck this time. Not only did the monk seem to be allergic to the crystal's light but they would stand around after the light dimmed for a few seconds and attack the mobs and boss outside of the light. Needless to say I spent 80% of the boss healing the monk, and positioning myself so they were in my line of sight. It was madness.
So after that we moved onto the toads and things room. With the high damage of the mobs in this section I knew that the Tank was going to need my attention. Well... after the first group, the tank accidentally pulled the next two frogs with a few other mobs, should have been fine really, heal intensive but fine. Well the monk decided that they would run around to the other side of the wall and not only get hit by the toad AoE but also the crystal blast. I switch to try to heal them without noticing that they were out of sight. So I had to move, by this time I had to heal the tank. I threw a physick at the tank quickly but the monk ended up also pulling the remaining mobs and the tank flashed. And wiped.
The Ogre boss was as it usually goes, dodging and healing. That is until the monk started getting hit by fire and fist. One Physick and they were down. Then I lagged and died from two fire balls. Embarrassing, but the BLM and Tank finished the boss quickly.
It was uneventful until the boss of the dungeon. Both the monk and tank took hefty damage from this bosses PBAoE, and I had to switch between them. Even with Sacred Soil down the monk was losing health fast. The Tank was steady. I was worried, because this was phase one, I knew someone was going to die in phase 2. And they did, the monk, in all their glory, died almost instantly when the boss placed down the landmines. As if the monk was attracted to them he stepped on two in succession then got Lasered. Swiftcast-Resurrection and then we were able to take the boss out eventually.
It was insane, and I have never had such a bad run of the Darkhold before. Granted the monk could have been lagging, but with how things went and how much they enjoyed zipping around in combat makes me find it hard to believe. -
09-05-2014, 06:04 PMNeoxn
Even though I don't main healer, I have WHM and Scholar at 50 with some pre-Coil 2 runs done and I've actually only really had one vaguely memorable healing story. It wasn't really that bad, but I was in Aurum Vale on my Scholar and the tank took 8-9 stacks of debuffs on the first boss and 6 stacks of barbs on the last boss. I don't think they knew they had to cleanse the debuffs or something...I somehow managed to heal through the first boss without anyone dying, but the tank was a lost case with 6 stacks on the last boss, so he died and one of the melee just tanked instead. We finished with the melee tanking it. I didn't explain the cleansing in mid-fight on the last boss, since the party was Japanese and I didn't have time to type it in Japanese.
I was surprised by the amount of people who dislike Aurum Vale when I read this thread though. That one is my most favorite sub-50 dungeon, and I love it the most on a healer, haha. Plus the exp gain from killing hatched seedlings is insane. -
09-05-2014, 11:09 PMSummerRiderThat's the reason people hate it. When they are forced to run it at 50.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neoxn
-- They don't need XP
-- They don't have access to their "end of line" skills.
-- Their gear all get's lowered (synced).
It's like your so close to your goal you can almost touch it, but you know no matter how hard you try it's out of your reach. -
09-05-2014, 11:30 PMSaseal
Dunno about anyone else, but I just hate it because I've had a shit ton of terrible experiences with it when I first started out (definitely not so bad any more, but I still hate it's guts) - unlucky moments, inexperienced parties, no one eating the fruits and my heals not able to keep up with that damage across the board, etcetcetc - Unless it was much more difficult roughly 10ish months ago (not quite a year, but a long time ago) and not so many 50'd people back then. I don't have any of that bad luck, now, but it's like going into a HM or EX for the first time with a bad party or unlucky run - the name alone gets associated with 'bad'/'terrible'... and then it sticks.
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09-06-2014, 12:10 AMDefteros
Aurum Vale was, and still is, a nightmare to heal as a scholar.
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09-06-2014, 12:21 AMBixby
Yeah, AV itself is (mostly) fine, it's just got a high rate of failure with DF parties.
For me, in the early patches, it was also the only place where I got the make-you-look-stupid kind of lag. I don't know why. I can run Titan HM, Titan Ex, Ultima HM without having their patterns memorized; my connection is good enough that I can just react, and that's been the case since 2.0. Never had to pre-move or any of that stuff. But with the cyclops in AV, I'd run into the stupid, terrible lag that screws people over so much. I'd be pre-moving, all the way across the room, well out of the danger zone for a second or more sometimes, and still be getting hit. That part's better now, so it's just a matter of the rest of the party. -
09-06-2014, 12:34 AMSasealI still have that, with the coin counter and his gaze thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bixby
"Ohshit it turned around *Runs halfway across the room, pe-emptively* I'm a mile away, now, I should be fi-*FWAP*... I don't know what I was expecting -_-" -
09-06-2014, 01:30 AMkaferine
I have that same problem too! I think he targets healers on purpose, because I swear, no one ever gets the paralyzed debuff from that fight except me! D:
I recently pugged an end-game dungeon for the myths and got the Ultimate Weapon. I think this end-game dungeon is the absolute easiest - I feel like I don't have to heal through any of the boss fights (not constantly anyway) until Ultima, even if there are newbies. On this one though, we nearly wiped at the first boss instance! I don't think any of the DPS knew what to do with the magic hand things, and quite a few people didn't know the outside part was electric. We made it through with no deaths, but I was shocked that we almost wiped. -
09-06-2014, 03:29 AMEricCartmenez
I think he targets ME! Whether tank, healer or DPS, I get hit by that SOB every time over and over and over again!
I know I hate AV because there still tends to be a large number of people at that level who don't really worry much about their gear. When I pug this, I usually find one person who has level 40 or less gear! Ran it over the last weekend and the healer was complaining that her gear was breaking. Really? You don't visit a mender or mind your stuff regularly? She had level 90 and up gear and everything was broke. She quit before we got to the Cyclopse. Then we got a healer who acted like a 6 year old at every trash mob, so he kited all of them and we had to handle it like we were shooting ducks at a carnival. Just glad I got through it.
To my surprise and dismay, I got AV in my Thyrus atma book right after that! Wouldn't have mattered, I was DPS for that fight, but come on! As the song goes: Here I go again!