Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

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Originally Posted by Yun_Tsuri

For Heavensward one race was added and you got both female and male options; a wild one as Yoshi-P asked and you got the Aura.
Now you get two different races and of course gender locked because it's already a struggle fixing the gear for the two of them; you're not only ignoring this fact Yoshi-P stated multiple times but you're also pretending to not know Yoshi-P announced FFXIV will have no more races as the work to do behind it is too much. So I ask again, what's the point of this topic?

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Opposite genders aren't new races. A relatable work load, but they are ultimately different things, and given all the negative press the decision to gender lock has generated, it's one that's likely to be addressed if SQX actually cares about maintaining revenue for the one game they have that continues to actually make money, especially when it was a backpedal on a major design choice going into 2.0.

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Originally Posted by Yun_Tsuri

For Heavensward one race was added and you got both female and male options; a wild one as Yoshi-P asked and you got the Aura.
Now you get two different races and of course gender locked because it's already a struggle fixing the gear for the two of them; you're not only ignoring this fact Yoshi-P stated multiple times but you're also pretending to not know Yoshi-P announced FFXIV will have no more races as the work to do behind it is too much. So I ask again, what's the point of this topic?

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I'm wondering what the point behind your posts is, other than to troll. You're not the first person to make these arguments, or have them debunked.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

Are you as vocally critical of how they've implemented female Viera?

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Viera is great race, imho. Sadly even the female version will be used for certain activities. I was against it at the beginning as I respect and love Matsuno/Ito team too much and I hope one of them will direct FFXVI, let's say the FF9 reference during the dancer showcase with the F Viera warmed my soul a bit.

What Vossler (nice name) says is hard but true.

It was said by some vocal players that we would never get a bestial playable race and yet Hrothgar are a thing now.

It was said that Au Ra would be the last race ans we'd never see Viera and yet here we are. If you can say it's a fact that we're never getting the missing genders, then let me borrow your crystal ball, I need lottery numbers.

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Originally Posted by Yun_Tsuri

For Heavensward one race was added and you got both female and male options; a wild one as Yoshi-P asked and you got the Aura.
Now you get two different races and of course gender locked because it's already a struggle fixing the gear for the two of them; you're not only ignoring this fact Yoshi-P stated multiple times but you're also pretending to not know Yoshi-P announced FFXIV will have no more races as the work to do behind it is too much. So I ask again, what's the point of this topic?

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You're moving goalposts or confusing your replys. I'm going to hope for the 2nd and sum up our back and forth:
Akihiko Yoshida is one of SE's best artists
Akihiko Yoshida is allowed to design male Viera except when you dont like the design
When you don't like Akihiko Yoshida's design everyone who does is a erping pervert
We're getting 2 races [jury is still out for if they're for erpers?]

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Originally Posted by zeylos

Guys just completely ignore the 2 or 3 ppl that came to insult everyone on this thread so they can project their own inscecurites on everyone else. Let's change topics and ignore the trolls

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Agreed, I'm tired of trying to talk to a rude wall. Any new fanart?

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Originally Posted by LyraKuroneko

Agreed, I'm tired of trying to talk to a rude wall. Any new fanart?

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I've been working on this for a while now, actually:

https://i.imgur.com/2h1yJ8b.png

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I've been working on this for a while now, actually:

https://i.imgur.com/2h1yJ8b.png

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This made me laugh way more than it should have.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I've been working on this for a while now, actually:

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Wookit his wittle arms, he just wants a hug! lol

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Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage

Wookit his wittle arms, he just wants a hug! lol

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Be gentle. He lost a finger fighting against Dalmascan invaders. He's a little bashful about it.

Are those Rob Liefeld pouches?!

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Originally Posted by zeylos

Guys just completely ignore the 2 or 3 ppl that came to insult everyone on this thread so they can project their own inscecurites on everyone else. Let's change topics and ignore the trolls

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Agreed. I love seeing trolls coming to this thread thinking they have the ability to shut us up. The idea of people wanting male Viera upsets them so much. Male Viera is going to be continually requested so they'll just have to get over it. This thread won't be dieing any time soon.

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Originally Posted by jake200135

Agreed. I love seeing trolls coming to this thread thinking they have the ability to shut us up. The idea of people wanting male Viera upsets them so much. Male Viera is going to be continually requested so they'll just have to get over it. This thread won't be dieing any time soon.

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I mean, I know of one thing that can kill it.

A Male Viera announcement.

Just saying, SE.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

I mean, I know of one thing that can kill it.

A Male Viera announcement.

Just saying, SE.

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Lol I hope they give us a response soon (and I would really appreciate if it could be before the live letter) a yes or no would be fine but I'd also like knowing the when if possible

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Originally Posted by zeylos

Lol I hope they give us a response soon (and I would really appreciate if it could be before the live letter) a yes or no would be fine but I'd also like knowing the when if possible

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Live letter isn't that far now. But let's not get our hope too high either. SE always love to not say things. Let's just be patient ^^
In the best scenario I don't see the race coming before mid extension anyway. There is no rush
(if they do give us an answer people will most likely ask for concept and all, I sadly expect them to stay silence until they can show something, would be awesome to be wrong though~)

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Originally Posted by LyraKuroneko

Live letter isn't that far now. But let's not get our hope too high either. SE always love to not say things. Let's just be patient ^^
In the best scenario I don't see the race coming before mid extension anyway. There is no rush
(if they do give us an answer people will most likely ask for concept and all, I sadly expect them to stay silence until they can show something, would be awesome to be wrong though~)

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I know about that, and I want a good job (I know that it requires time and patience), but my anxiety is killing me! I hope we have some answer from SE in the launch of shadowbringers

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Originally Posted by zeylos

They should have just given us the actual Viera race which was the most requested, but I do see why they wanted to make hrotgar. The only issue with then making hrotgar and not a full Viera race is that they didn't make hrotgar, they only made 1 gender of hrotgar. They should have either removed Fran from the raid and given us hrotgar actual race or given us full Viera race, not the dumb thing we got. Then in the next expansion give us the other race, not have to wait for who knows how long to get something they promised back in 1.0 we would never have to wait for(a.k.a they promised no gender lock, so we wouldn't have to wait for genders to be unlocked)

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Did they actually say "we promise to never make a gender locked race again" back then?

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Did they actually say "we promise to never make a gender locked race again" back then?

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A promise isn't needed when a strong precedent is set from the get-go.

So then they never promised. It's just the FFXIV playerbase twisting things to make SE look like they did.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

the FFXIV playerbase

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That's too broad.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

So then they never promised. It's just the FFXIV playerbase twisting things to make SE look like they did.

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To be fair, it's not unthinkable that they did promise it but went back on it. There are several things they said about the housing system, for instance, that they absolutely went back on, that people have quoted in their signatures.
And I agree with rachcouture, they might not have made any promises but to introduce genderlocks after being the ones to undo XI and 1.0's? Saying they made no promises is hollow.

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Originally Posted by Senn

That's too broad.

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Would you prefer me to specifically say "people who want female Hrothgar and male Viera" or "people in this thread" instead?

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

To be fair, it's not unthinkable that they did promise it but went back on it. There are several things they said about the housing system, for instance, that they absolutely went back on, that people have quoted in their signatures.
And I agree with rachcouture, they might not have made any promises but to introduce genderlocks after being the ones to undo XI and 1.0's? Saying they made no promises is hollow.

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It's mostly because if we say they promised, or they can't do something they haven't done since 1.0 (which to be fair was Tanaka's team), then SE might choose to never talk about this controversy until they know they will have the time and resources to work on them. Why bother saying anything if there's a certain group of players who will say "yeah but you promised/set a precedent!"

It's perfectly fine to be disappointed, of course and criticise them for releasing one gender of two races. I just feel saying they promised or can't do something is... selfish?

Alright, I’ve been monitoring this thread and a few others for a few days now and figured I would finally make an account here to just say a few things. I know I am going to have someone get upset or claim I am a troll, but I’m neither trying to upset you or be trollish.

That said I’ve been playing FFXIV since launch and played FFXI for almost as long as I have played FFXIV. During launch of XIV, I was excited to jump right in after wondering around in XI… but quickly discovered no male Miqo'te. I honestly don’t remember people complaining as hard as people over no male Viera, but people seem to think that was the case. I was happy that once the game became a world reborn that we got male Miqo'te, but yet again, I don’t remember any sort of “Promise” to never have gender locked races.

I get you guys really want it, but there are some hard facts that I honestly don’t think you will get it. The main one being is that there isn’t a male Mithra in FFXI. I do remember quite a few forum posts and letter to the devs and petitions to add Mithra and guess what, they still don’t have them till this day. The sad part is, is that I remember there being a male Mithra NPC in the game. Other facts are, while yes, SE can change lore for an ongoing MMO, I seriously doubt the same can be said about races from a completely different Final Fantasy that is being added to the game. I feel like I can say that they are working with the director from FFXII to even add Viera in the first place, maybe he’s also the reason why we don’t have male Viera in XIV. At best, I could see maybe female Harthgar, because I believe this race is made in XIV (I could be wrong) but then people would complain again on no Viera.

Another big sign that I doubt this will happen is that so many of you have so many different varieties of how you want to see Viera that even if they did add them, SOMEONE would be pissed and want it remade. Why would SE willingly stand on that land mine? I’ve seen things from short lala sized to tall elezen. What if they were just Hyur sized but had Highlander style bodies? Or maybe even Fem Roegadyn style bodies? They wouldn’t be able to please everyone, and it would just equal yet another maybe even larger backlash.

Feel free to pick at anything I have said, again, I am not trying to troll, just looking at things from different angles.

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Originally Posted by Sei_Konsetsu

Feel free to pick at anything I have said

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[rubs hands gleefully]

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The main one being is that there isn’t a male Mithra in FFXI. I do remember quite a few forum posts and letter to the devs and petitions to add Mithra and guess what, they still don’t have them till this day.

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Isn't that game in maintenance-only or something?
And they fixed that mistake in XIV, is the point.

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I seriously doubt the same can be said about races from a completely different Final Fantasy that is being added to the game.

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But they're not, they'll be creating the lore for that race within the context of XIV. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but aren't there already some changes to the Viera lore compared to XII?
And let's not forget that different versions of lore for the same races exist within XIV itself. In the First, Miqo'te replaced Lalafell as the capitalist race, while Lalafell were demoted to an outright beast tribe.
Now, you can say, and you'll be right, that those races are already XIV "natives" regardless of what they're based on so they can go nuts with the lore - but then I'll point you back to the first point. This is XIV, and this is XIV lore.

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maybe he’s also the reason why we don’t have male Viera in XIV.

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Matsuno went on record saying he is not the reason for the Viera genderlock.

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At best, I could see maybe female Harthgar, because I believe this race is made in XIV (I could be wrong)

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They're based on Ronso and are even called that in the First
https://i.gyazo.com/9a7c90c9b27bb0e8...4d7850c217.png
And Viera aren't even called that in the first. I feel like they'd have spared themselves this trap by calling Viera "Viis" in the Source, thus making them 'XIV' natives, while their First counterparts would've been what they were based on.

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I’ve seen things from short lala sized to tall elezen.

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To be fair, most of those things existed within official concept art. But you can easily say people are upset they didn't add Feol Viera - still added the females.
Also the consensus here is mostly that people just want them added, what they look like is secondary (with a very likely scenario they'll look like That Concept Art™)

Another point is that they knew there'd be backlash due to the genderlocks, but they went along with this option anyway. SE knows to stand their ground and go through with a decision when they want to. And I think backlash over "I wish they looked different" would be far lesser than what's going on now, given that so many people who don't care for male Viera in particular are upset over the genderlocking.

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again, I am not trying to troll, just looking at things from different angles.

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You're good

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Originally Posted by Nestama

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I certainly wasn't saying that. You're generalizing.

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Originally Posted by Sei_Konsetsu

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Just for a point of reference:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...emale-Roegadyn

It was around and it didn't have as much traction as this thread generally because the game wasn't as successful at that point as opposed to now. There were also a myriad of other issues that had to be addressed, but it was certainly around.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I've been working on this for a while now, actually:

https://i.imgur.com/2h1yJ8b.png

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This is incredible

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

For Viera, let's just get this out of the way, it would have been 9/10 female to males anyway.

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Its cute that you think so...lol. In reality there is no way to know until it happens...lol

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Originally Posted by Sei_Konsetsu

Another big sign that I doubt this will happen is that so many of you have so many different varieties of how you want to see Viera that even if they did add them, SOMEONE would be pissed and want it remade. Why would SE willingly stand on that land mine? I’ve seen things from short lala sized to tall elezen. What if they were just Hyur sized but had Highlander style bodies? Or maybe even Fem Roegadyn style bodies? They wouldn’t be able to please everyone, and it would just equal yet another maybe even larger backlash.

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Highly doubt that this should be a reason to not implement the missing Viera counterpart because with the character creator they can define their character height and muscle mass and think for those that have been waiting for so long any male Viera would be great for them, as long as it match the female in appearance and age.

Usually players that choose FFXIV MMO means that at the start they enjoy or appreciate in it's majority the game's design concept and at this point after 5 years of MMO and all the different content that has been introduced there is no way players will be that impressed with the new SE content, except for content that have the participation of new invited artists that created different games environments.
What am trying to say is that whatever SE delivers players trust to be good and like in the past will enjoy no matter if it doesn't match X or Y expectation the good is that exists as an answer to the previous player/fan base request for years.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

I mean, I know of one thing that can kill it.

A Male Viera announcement.

Just saying, SE.

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No of course it won't. We'll just start a "We Got Male Viera" celebration thread...lol

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Originally Posted by Kelryth

No of course it won't. We'll just start a "We Got Male Viera" celebration thread...lol

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I never said it would be immediate.
But then we'd probably mass relocate to the nearest "Show your male Viera!" thread

have a lore appropriate show your viera threads
Segregate the males and females

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Originally Posted by Duskane

have a lore appropriate--

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FIGHT ME (ง'̀-'́)ง (ง'̀-'́)ง (ง'̀-'́)ง

of course there would be some backslash because male viera wouldn't look like some people want them to, but it wouldn't be near as huge as the backslash they've got now.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Would you prefer me to specifically say "people who want female Hrothgar and male Viera" or "people in this thread" instead?



It's mostly because if we say they promised, or they can't do something they haven't done since 1.0 (which to be fair was Tanaka's team), then SE might choose to never talk about this controversy until they know they will have the time and resources to work on them. Why bother saying anything if there's a certain group of players who will say "yeah but you promised/set a precedent!"

It's perfectly fine to be disappointed, of course and criticise them for releasing one gender of two races. I just feel saying they promised or can't do something is... selfish?

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They did promise it at an interview and I'd like to know what's selfish about it? Is it because we aren't letting Yoshida do whatever he wants? I don't really see that as selfish considering this is not his project and this is not an indie game this is an MMO we pay for monthly

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Originally Posted by zeylos

Is it because we aren't letting Yoshida do whatever he wants? I don't really see that as selfish considering this is not his project and this is not an indie game this is an MMO we pay for monthly

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You should be careful with your wordings, some might misunderstand that. If its not his project/game/rights, then he wouldnt be the director and producer. And we as customers, arent above him either. We pay for a sercive, not tell him what to do.

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

You should be careful with your wordings, some might misunderstand that. If its not his project/game/rights, then he wouldnt be the director and producer. And we as customers, arent above him either. We pay for a sercive, not tell him what to do.

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Yep, the best we can do is ask for things and wait to see if he is ok with it or not.

Well I dont really see it as his game, in the end it's SE's game and I don't think he should release content based on what he wants or he dosent want, but on what the community wants, which I feel like he hasn't done with this expansion (no new healer, genderlocked races etc)

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Originally Posted by zeylos

Well I dont really see it as his game, in the end it's SE's game and I don't think he should release content based on what he wants or he dosent want, but on what the community wants, which I feel like he hasn't done with this expansion (no new healer, genderlocked races etc)

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It is not that easy.

Doing only as the community wished is bound to end up in a mess. And it is a game. So there is also the money side to take into account.
It is a SE game as you says, not the game of the community. It is for them however, hence why we can suggest things.