Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

I have more questions! I recently parsed myself and got about 500 on my burst and doing my rotation with cooldowns I had about 427 on a striking dummy.

Are these good numbers at ilvl 99?

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Originally Posted by dippindots326

I have more questions! I recently parsed myself and got about 500 on my burst and doing my rotation with cooldowns I had about 427 on a striking dummy.

Are these good numbers at ilvl 99?

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427 at i99? how long was this parse?

One needs to take into account some factors:
Weapon
Time elapsed (3min?)
Food buffed?
Party buffed?
Potted?
Crit percentage? (averaged over several trials?)

If i recall correctly, with a Liberator, it should be somewhere around ~410.

It was with a liberator and the parse was about a minute, my opening rotation. (I suppose three minutes is the accepted amount of time for a parse?)

EDIT: at 3 minutes I had a 382. Am I doing something wrong?

I had no food or party or pots

and my crit rate is 410 right now, didn't have a chance to get a percentage.

How is my burst tho?

Yes, 3 minutes on a dummy is standard. 1000TP should last you 2 minutes + 500TP invigourate @~400TP for another 1 minute.

I can't say for sure, but i vaguely remember that when i looked at my numbers over 3 minutes it was around ~410, but at iLvl104.
This might not be the case for you, since i vaguely remember my accessories all being i100+, and 1str=~1dps.
For Crit percentage, to the best of my knowledge it should be around 15-20% (from what the data tells you); anything higher is an outlier.
Your burst is fine, i would assume it would burst for even higher if you used x-pots.

after 3 mins 410 sounds right, after that you should hover in and around 400 dps.

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Originally Posted by EllPii

1str=~1dps.

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I highly doubt this equation. If that's the case, Dragoons would be doing 550+ DPS just due to strength alone (not even accounting for weapon damage, determination or crit rating).

I wonder what I'm doing differently, because I only hit ~410 half the time. I suppose it could just be the crits lining up on those runs.

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Originally Posted by Vodomir

I highly doubt this equation. If that's the case, Dragoons would be doing 550+ DPS just due to strength alone (not even accounting for weapon damage, determination or crit rating).

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Actually no, you're probably right. I don't really do these calculations myself.
It's more like 2str = 1dps, after standardising everything to a value related to 1 str.
The end result is more realistic, Gear Weight /2.

I am a happy dragoon, today I got my nexus! http://i.imgur.com/Au65OUf.gif

...not a fan of the glow, however. I will probably glamour liberator again soon...

Also, the sexy stats, for the curious: http://i.imgur.com/43YVJJN.png

While I'm thinking about it, I'd like to add I could use some gearing advice. Every week since we've started clearing it, T8 refuses to drop my visor, and it's starting to get to me. I currently, for accuracy reasons, still use the Wyrm's armet in my coil set. I've been avoiding the astrum helm like the plague and the 21 accuracy drop if I were to switch to the guardian's helm (which I don't even have as a loathe st) is very hard to make up elsewhere. Should I just bite the bullet and get the astrum one? I'm afraid of wasting soldiery should my T8 helm drop shortly after investing in a rather terrible piece. Any suggestions as to what I could do about this? Or possible or sets to make up accuracy loss if I were to use the guardian helm that doesn't sacrifice too many good stats? Also, please don't tell me fully melded wolfram, I already did that with my penta-melded belt, and am still quite broke from when I did my novus so that is not happening lol. I also truly don't want to farm st for the helm either but prefer that over wasting soldiery/spending a lot of gil for a placeholder.

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Originally Posted by SolarMisae

I'm afraid of wasting soldiery should my T8 helm drop shortly after investing in a rather terrible piece. Any suggestions as to what I could do about this?

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Level a LNC retainer and give him the gear you don't use anymore? Working for me so far. Alternatively, you could make a crafted i90 helm, or try this ACC 510 gearset

Your best is to swap the wyrms head piece for the ST one and swap the ramuh ring for another weathered gloam ring (temporarily) and use apkallu omelets. You'll gain 1 str and bunch of det and lose a little crit, but you'll still be at 507 acc. I would see it netting out more dps, food for thought

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Originally Posted by Empressia

N-O-P-E :

1. Wasted acc on ur novus
2. since when ST headpiece and belt is BiS?
3. replace earrings, necklace, bracelet to HA ones
4. replace weathered gloam with ramuh ring

if u wanna det build use all det gears

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My mistake, I should said is am I at bis based on my current progress thru Titan ex and T6. No further. And second, is it worth spending 550k for each det stat exchange if I modify novus?

I'm seriously thinking about making my relic 44 acc / 31 Det. Using this build gives a secondary stat weight (no STR or WD) of 85.369 with an accuracy of 517. This allows for future-proofing and gear flexibility in 3rd coil. I'm presuming this is enough accuracy to get through the first 3 turns of the new coil without getting any new gear, or just saving tomes for a large purchase.
Compared to the default BiS build on Ariyala which is 87.086 with an accuracy of 492, which is built for max weight only attacking from the flank on T9.
The trade-off in my build is losing 1 SkS and 41 Crit, to gain 20 Det and 25 acc. The default build can also upgrade to Lava Toads or Catfish for 3rd Coil , but will still be 9 acc lower and loses 16 of the 41 crit advantage it had, making it a 1 SkS 25 crit trade-off for 20 Det and 9 acc. Which sounds pretty good, IMO.

Any thoughts on this decision (other than obviously not being best for current content) or have a setup that you think would be better suited to being prepared for 2.4?

I can't seem to get my burst much higher than 525 right now. Could it just be my gear holding me back right now?I get rereally paranoid about stuff like this

edit: Broke 600 after getting some more i110 gear!

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Originally Posted by HaelseMikiro

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25 crit rating worth 1.74% crit chance while 20 det worth 6.7 STR

I would say that if you're clearing T9 and thinking about 3rd coil, who cares about the weights you put on your novus

So I honestly think I'm following this fairly religiously popping everything on cd but I'm hitting around 300 dps consistently as an i107drg which is unacceptable. Recently got out parsed by an i94 drg by 30 dps. I'm locked on to the target so I'm not losing the aa damage and to my knowledge I haven't had any issues with aa damage. I guess I'm just wondering if there are things I might be doing that would dip my dps that low.

I can get to 375 on my i90 DRG for burst, give or take. Maybe post your rotation. Something is amiss.

http://i.imgur.com/jPVlWgX.png?1
Afternoon folks, Vas from Gilg here. Figured I'd drop what I currently consider BIS(minus nexus,thanks yoshi-p) since I see people have been asking and the pastebin ones are rather dated. The list includes the ramuh ring and sits right on the 512 frontal acc cap. Some debate on aiming for the flank cap but if you have access to this gear your farming t9 or working on savage. Therefore frontal is crucial for t9 phase 4, bees/slugs in 6 savage, etc. For perspective I consistently pull 420-440(no food/pots) on Turn 8 as the raid leader and first proxy. In other words if for whatever reason a mechanic can't be handled by who I've relegated it to I deal with it. It's not uncommon if I deal with one tower or mine or soak for a ballistic and as raid leader a good portion of my attention is always on my raiders.
HA Spear, Astrum helm, astrum chest, HA belt, HA pants, Astrum boots, HA neck, Gloam earrings, Gloam Wrists, Gloam Ring, Ramuh Ring

For a bonus the root guide is not accurate on the inability to weave multiple OGCDS between abilities. IR,BfB, MS, leg sweep, and both surges can all be weaved in the same window, obviously jumps are standalone. In terms of optimal damage this means that these moves should be popped in pairs wherever possible. If your losing GCD up time due to animations it's a problem with input delay and a great way to see if your being prompt on your ability execution and not bleeding GCD up time. This is doable even with Selene's haste buff although it's an extremely tight window and there can be no input delay at all. With no haste there can be a slight delay but if your too slow you can lose gcd up time and dps as a result.

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Originally Posted by LucentLagombi

So I honestly think I'm following this fairly religiously popping everything on cd but I'm hitting around 300 dps consistently as an i107drg which is unacceptable. Recently got out parsed by an i94 drg by 30 dps. I'm locked on to the target so I'm not losing the aa damage and to my knowledge I haven't had any issues with aa damage. I guess I'm just wondering if there are things I might be doing that would dip my dps that low.

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Just from being a raid leader and watching PUG DPS I have a decent idea of where different classes should be depending on their gear and skill level. I'd say that 300 dps @ i107 on a training dummy is below average for a DRG, so you should definitely do some double checking on your rotation. I'd say at your gear level, 340 would be average, 360 would be competent, 380 would be proficient, and 400+ would be exceptional.

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Originally Posted by Ehayte

Just from being a raid leader and watching PUG DPS I have a decent idea of where different classes should be depending on their gear and skill level. I'd say that 300 dps @ i107 on a training dummy is below average for a DRG, so you should definitely do some double checking on your rotation. I'd say at your gear level, 340 would be average, 360 would be competent, 380 would be proficient, and 400+ would be exceptional.

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you can hit 360 on a dummy with full i90 gear and the i95 allagan spear.

Also, you don't need frontal acc cap for t7 savage and t8 savage. T9 could go either way and I don't use it since I'm only at the front for 2 lunar dynamos. Would probably be useful for t9 savage.

That piece is no where near bis either lol

Headpiece*

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Originally Posted by VasiRukh

Afternoon folks, Vas from Gilg here. Figured I'd drop what I currently consider BIS.

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Couldn't you get a little more crit by giving up ramuh ring and actually going to like 515 acc? Is the ramuh ring worth trying to sit at exactly 512, despite some 515 sets actually giving a little bit more stats esp if you use food like truffle risotto like this set: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NT16

With nexus it'd be higher too. I know it's small (like 22 crit or so, and then even more using 46 crit nexus instead) but I just hate the astrum helm, and find it weird to be included in a bis set..

With the new content coming up. Is it worth the Gil to re adjust my novus during the nexus quest? Novus Currently at 18acc 24 det 33 crit. With savage might iv at 550k a pop in my server! Overall my acc is 494. Right now I can afford to buy 4 materia and risk the process.

Doesn't sound like a healthy risk to me.

Is there a type of equipment I can buy cheaper and risk converting into tier iv savage might? Or is it totally random?

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Originally Posted by VasiRukh

http://i.imgur.com/jPVlWgX.png?1
HA Spear, Astrum helm, astrum chest, HA belt, HA pants, Astrum boots, HA neck, Gloam earrings, Gloam Wrists, Gloam Ring, Ramuh Ring

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The build I am going for is as follows:

Gae Bolg Novus (15 Acc, 30 Crit, 30 Det), High Allagan headgear, Astrum Mail, Astrum Armguards, High Allagan Belt, Astrum Hose, Astrum Sabatons, High Allagan Choker, Gloam Earrings, High Allagan Bracelets, Gloam Ring, Judgement Ring.

Pop an HQ Apkallu Omelette and that gives you: 575 Str, 495 Acc, 571 Crit, 300 Det, 399 SS, 477 Vit

So it's right on the 495 accuracy cap for the flanks. So as long as your positioning is good then you'll be fine. But that build gives you 84 more Crit and 11 more Det than your build. 3 less Str, but I'll get that when I upgrade the Novus to a Nexus (plus more Crit, Acc and Det).

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Originally Posted by BristolRuss

The build I am going for is as follows:

Gae Bolg Novus (15 Acc, 30 Crit, 30 Det)

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I'd strongly recommend going the extra 1 point in Det on that spear. As a Nexus you'll only gain 1 point of crit on that. Take 1 point out of either Acc or Crit and move it to Det, that will give you 31 and then another +1 at Nexus level.

This is probably a really basic baby dragoon thing, but: how should I handle boss fights where the boss is constantly spinning to cast spells on non-tanks? I find myself often running in circles spamming ID or HT trying to get a buff to happen and having no luck.

Feels like a raw deal all around, but I'm not sure how I should go about salvaging the waste in GCDs. Thrust combo? Keep trying until the buff is applied? (Seems like mashing 100 potency moves is a bad idea...)

Also: If something goes wrong in my rotation, should I pick up where I left off or always make sure buffs/DoTs are on time, perhaps at the expense of a Full Thrust?

If the boss is turning around too much, try to get HT in, then Thrust combo, and Phleb.

Should you mess up your combo, which is likely to happen in a 10 minute fight especially given that you have to deal with mechanics and downtime. Follow the priority diagram that was posted by OP: http://i.imgur.com/hJFTfLf.png

2.38 Patch BIS by gear score (491 Acc)

Stat Weights:
STR 1
CRT 0.204
DET 0.325
SS 0.178

Equipment:

Gae Bolg Nexus (44 Acc + 2, 31 Det + 1)

HA Headgear
HA Cuirass
Astrum Armguards
Wolfram Tassets (Crit IV, Acc IV, Crit III, Acc III, Det II)
Astrum Hose
HA Sabatons
HA Choker
HA Earrings
HA Bracelet
Gloam Ring
HA Ring
Buttons

491 ACC
573 STR
482 CRT
346 DET
458 SS

Gear Score: 857.186

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Originally Posted by Ehayte

Just from being a raid leader and watching PUG DPS I have a decent idea of where different classes should be depending on their gear and skill level. I'd say that 300 dps @ i107 on a training dummy is below average for a DRG, so you should definitely do some double checking on your rotation. I'd say at your gear level, 340 would be average, 360 would be competent, 380 would be proficient, and 400+ would be exceptional.

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I actually just figured it out. My auto attacks weren't being picked up because of some log settings. I'm hitting over 400 with minimal effort. (No pots, not in party) bit of a false alarm lol

I'm curious about these auto attacks not hitting for some people....I really wonder if mine are connecting, but how to know?

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

I'm curious about these auto attacks not hitting for some people....I really wonder if mine are connecting, but how to know?

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I can tell mine are hitting due to the numbers without skill names attached popping up at a consistent rate (a little faster than the gcd)

My issue wasn't that they weren't hitting but that they weren't being recorded on my party member's act. Auto attacks will connect as long as you're within melee range and facing the target. One way to ensure this is too lock on. However, locking on can inhibit your movement so be careful about doing it in fights with ground aoe until you familiarize yourself with the style. The other way is to just make sure you're facing the boss manually.

So how did your party member fix his act?

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Originally Posted by LucentLagombi

My issue wasn't that they weren't hitting but that they weren't being recorded on my "party member's" act.

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Originally Posted by dippindots326

So how did "your party member" fix his act?

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well played gentlemen