Yoshi P to Mr.Happy "Heal DPS is not mandatory and no expectation for Healer to DPS!"

Yeah Kiasi I think after watching that video you could've done some dpsing a few times in the video. Like you could've killed that rock preventing that wipe. I'm not the best healer and I got ALOT to learn but I think you could've done alot more to help that run go a bit more smoother. My friend Sony is a new astro so here's one of his.
http://https://www.youtube.com/watch...itvUku4&t=748s

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

As expected, everything turned out the way I predicted

http://i.imgur.com/xpXYVKf.png

The trolls did exactly what I expected them to do, watch little or nothing of the video, and make belligerent quips about me being bad at the game.

Entire context for everything below.

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Okay, let's go then.

1) Within the first 20 seconds of the video, I already found something you could improve on. USE YOUR FREECURES. SERIOUSLY. USE THEM. You have 15 seconds to cast a stronger heal that costs NO MP. Going even further into the video, I'm not sure if you EVER use any Freecure procs at all.

At the second group of mobs:

2) You used Regen and Asylum at the same time, and yet continued casting Cure I. This is completely unnecessary and entirely inefficient, because with a mob pack that small, Regen and Asylum by themselves would have kept the tank topped off or very close to it for about 20 seconds. All your cure casting really did was to top off your tank split seconds before your heal over time spells would have done so afterwards.
3) Did you know Holy stuns prevent most enemies from attacking for 5 seconds? That buys time for your regeneration heals to activate, AND does a significant chunk of damage to enemies? Even without Cleric Stance, the stun itself is still beneficial.
4) Do you have so little trust in your tanks that you have to keep their HP above 90% at all times? They're built to take damage. That doesn't mean they'll get knocked down like a pyramid built of dominoes if you look away for a few seconds, unless there's a Final Sting asshole somewhere.

At the first boss:

- Your reaction speed is very, very slow. Consider what happens at 6:05. You're looking at the Dragoon and you're moving in a way that signifies that you clearly realize that the Dragoon isn't at full HP. But it takes you 6 seconds (which is two whole global cooldowns) to actually do something about it.
- Even though your casting is minimal, you spend most of the fight at about 50-70% MP. I've come to theorize that your aversion to DPSing may stem from past experiences where any attempts to resulted in yourself running out of mana. Know that Shroud of Saints restores a significant chunk of mana over time, and that Assize also restores a flat 10% whenever it's used. Both should be used as often as possible, if possible.

I haven't bothered to watch beyond that (at least not yet, but I'll proceed once I'm done with dinner - because at least you're willing to post a video of yourself, which means you risk huge amount of negative publicity, which is something I can respect), but there is something important I've noted from the video. You mentioned that 1) you're undergeared, and 2) this video is a blind run of the dungeon. The latter would explain your slow reaction speed. Perhaps it is foolhardy to insert yourself into this argument so passionately when you clearly don't yet have the experience to utilize your entire skillset to greater effect. You are arguing with people that have YEARS worth of experience playing this game.

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Looked briefly at the second boss once I noticed people mentioning that there was a wipe there. There actually was no wipe, but... Even shifting into Cleric Stance for one moment and using Assize in the center would have cut the HP of all of the rocks and the bunny minions down to around 65% (a guesstimate based on your gear). It's THAT powerful. Throwing a Holy on top of that should have reduced their HP further down to about 40%.

Also, familiarize yourself with Tetraglammation. Note that this dungeon run was 37 minutes. That means you had 37 chances to use it (a 60 second cooldown is not a long time at all), if you tried to use it as often as possible. Tetraglammation is not only a powerful heal in itself, its utility is even stronger, because it's one of your few heals that does not have a casting time to use.

People can say, 'the DPS just need to get better' (and I have to say, the DPS in that video were awful, especially the Bard when taking his gear into account, which drives me insane as a Bard main), but anyone that actually believes that instead of looking inwards for improvement needs to realize that... There comes a practical point where you have to step up to the plate and go above and beyond to get things done. Letting a wipe happen to prove a point is the most self-defeating and time-wasting thing a person can ever do.

When a wipe happens, I don't go blaming other people, I start thinking about what I could have done differently to prevent it in the first place. It's this philosophy that has allowed me to become so good at being a Bard, and I've perhaps prevented countless wipes from occurring (the simplest examples being aware enough to note that one healer in my 24-man raid party may be dead, and the other is only seconds away from dying to a DoT debuff, and I throw my instant cast Warden's Paean - an advantage no other job in the game has - to cleanse the debuff and save them, when their death could have spiraled into a full wipe later in the fight) even though I'm just a 'filthy expendable DPS'. So what if I'm carrying people? I'd rather let my actions set an example instead of being petty.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

I'm not ignoring anything. Trolls put you on the defensive, and you let them win if you respond to their irrelevant distractions.

This is how I play the game:
https://youtu.be/QhWxJ_glQoY

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This is a shining example of why healer should dps

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Originally Posted by Hikuras

Yeah Kiasi I think after watching that video you could've done some dpsing a few times in the video. Like you could've killed that rock preventing that wipe. I'm not the best healer and I got ALOT to learn but I think you could've done alot more to help that run go a bit more smoother. Let me find a video of me healing... again I'm not the best but a little bit does help. :c I can't find any videos I did but my friend Sony is a new astro so here's one of his.
http://https://www.youtube.com/watch...itvUku4&t=748s

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Take auto lock off it seems to be hurting your movement and resisting you.
find a more center monster to AoE on
3 monsters + is the general rule for aoe like gravity (only exception I know if is the rain of death from brd, there that specific move is used when there is 2+ to hit)
Luminiferous Aether could been used sooner
You should use celestial oppositon when buffs are on people or at the very least, Luminiferous Aether on your self in the situation, those monsters do not hurt a lot
things took too long to die cuz the brd was afk or something.
Oh wait animations was disabled, clueless brd, not afk, sorry.
There are times you seem to hesitate casting but that is from low mp and again that looks like that was from low dps issue (brd)
Tell the brd at least to keep straight shot up and use rain of death when ready while applying dots on stuff here and there. I am so glad they are removing wide volley, that alone closes the dps considerably. (In other words if you are hurting for mp like that figure out why, in this case, it was because the brd was a derp)
You had to eat using ewer, but try find ewer sooner, need use draw more.
When draw was used it was burned for aoe buff, with the hurting of mp, I would redraw to find an ewer.
Asking for ballad from a brd that plays like that is also an option, to help you cover the lack of DPS (pretty sure at that point you get more damage from ballad then foe)

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Originally Posted by SaitoHikari

I haven't bothered to watch beyond that (at least not yet, but I'll proceed once I'm done with dinner - because at least you're willing to post a video of yourself, which means you risk huge amount of negative publicity, which is something I can respect), but there is something important I've noted from the video. You mentioned that 1) you're undergeared, and 2) this video is a blind run of the dungeon. The latter would explain your slow reaction speed. Perhaps it is foolhardy to insert yourself into this argument so passionately when you clearly don't yet have the experience to utilize your entire skillset to greater effect. You are arguing with people that have YEARS worth of experience playing this game.

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People with low experience should not be telling the experience how to play, that is why people are fed up with that person.

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Originally Posted by SaitoHikari

I haven't bothered to watch beyond that (at least not yet, but I'll proceed once I'm done with dinner - because at least you're willing to post a video of yourself, which means you risk huge amount of negative publicity, which is something I can respect), there is something I've noted from the video. You mentioned that 1) you're undergeared, and 2) this video is a blind run of the dungeon. The latter would explain your slow reaction speed. Perhaps it is foolhardy to insert yourself into this argument when you clearly don't yet have the experience to utilize your entire skillset to greater effect. You are arguing with people that have YEARS worth of experience playing this game.

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That's fine, I'd rather hear a constructive comments. There's no fun in posting videos of people facerolling content. I usually only turn the video recording on when I expect things to go wrong to begin with, or if I haven't played the content before, or in the case of this video, both.

But the entire argument from the beginning is about players expectations from healers, and one expectation you can not take for granted is that all the players in the DF will play exactly the same way, or even be good at that role. I set the bar at "If I can keep up, all is good", which is true for dungeons that are pure random PUG's.

Eh, the only thing that ever makes me think twice about dpsing as my AST is whether I can spare the gcds to switch the stance on and off or, more prevalent with my dumb self: Whether i remember to turn it off.

If they're removing that burden, why wouldn't you dps? I'm gonna go buck wild.

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Originally Posted by BlastHardcheese

Eh, the only thing that ever makes me think twice about dpsing as my AST is whether I can spare the gcds to switch the stance on and off or, more prevalent with my dumb self: Whether i remember to turn it off.

If they're removing that burden, why wouldn't you dps? I'm gonna go buck wild.

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Heh, nice way to look at it.

The one thing that REALLY worries me about the Cleric Stance removal though is that it WILL lead to Assize generating HUGE amounts of emnity. With Cleric Stance, Assize can only ever instantly heal a significant chunk of the party's HP, or inflict truckloads of damage. With the removal of the Cleric Stance limitation, it can now do BOTH at once. Just imagine what's going to happen. You're probably going to straight up die using it in your opener.

This isn't even considering that Assize's cooldown got reduced to 60 seconds, and WHMs already have enough problems with emnity management as is.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Is it bad I almost want to say the other just to see if it's actually possible to have a 90% overheal? >.>

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Ops, just snorted.

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Originally Posted by SaitoHikari

To be honest, the link should have been extended by another 2-3 seconds so that people will actually see the dolls being broken INSTANTLY by the White Mage. Knowing some people here, the point will fly over their heads otherwise.

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You know what, I went back to my pc just to render it and uploading it soon :)

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Originally Posted by SaitoHikari

Heh, nice way to look at it.

The one thing that REALLY worries me about the Cleric Stance removal though is that it WILL lead to Assize generating HUGE amounts of emnity. With Cleric Stance, Assize can only ever instantly heal a significant chunk of the party's HP, or inflict truckloads of damage. With the removal of the Cleric Stance limitation, it can now do BOTH at once. Just imagine what's going to happen. You're probably going to straight up die using it in your opener.

This isn't even considering that Assize's cooldown got reduced to 60 seconds, and WHMs already have enough problems with emnity management as is.

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That's easy, we blame the tank for not wearing STR gear... Wait.

Seriously though, I've never played WHM to that level so I'm not familiar with the enmity spikes. I'm sure people will even out their expectations accordingly over time, gonna be a weird month or two.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

That's fine, I'd rather hear a constructive comments. There's no fun in posting videos of people facerolling content. I usually only turn the video recording on when I expect things to go wrong to begin with, or if I haven't played the content before, or in the case of this video, both.

But the entire argument from the beginning is about players expectations from healers, and one expectation you can not take for granted is that all the players in the DF will play exactly the same way, or even be good at that role. I set the bar at "If I can keep up, all is good", which is true for dungeons that are pure random PUG's.

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No it was not! You where telling experienced players how to play and how large downtime for healing is a myth, when even your own video shown large downtime like:

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

Finally KisaiTenshi, with your large downtime and overhearing, why don't you dps and not stand around doing nothing and overhealing?
https://youtu.be/QhWxJ_glQoY?t=727
12:08-12:13 that is you doing NOTHING, that is about 3 DPS spells, then you OVERHEALED with cure 1, your cure I does 3100 hp and they where 31000/33000 and went up to 32000 from regen. You have no clue how to heal, truth hurts, so stop telling people how to heal when you can't play well.

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You are not better then anyone else just because you do not enter content over geared, thinking that is an auto win for your arguments for some reason. I am shocked you saw nothing wrong with your game play when I shown you a video of a WHM using tere, and other such things while dpsing, always casting, having no downtime even when dodging.

PEOPLE SAID REPEATEDLY!! we do not expect people to be an expert when they are clearly new and understanding to get the hang of things such as yourself. (The word try was repeatedly used, this means not standing around doing NOTHING) What people here flame to death is people that flame for DPSing at all as a healer even though no one dies, or those that refuse to dps because "healer do not need dps" when they have the ability to do so. How do you not understand this?