Content creator irresponsibility in covering #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

Something to keep in mind is this is the OFFICIAL PLACE FOR FEEDBACK yes the sample size is rather small in comparison with the overall playerbase.
Where else should players give feedback.

I confess you feel that more on the japanese side were you actualy more direct moderation and activity of the Community Manager.

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

Any survey done by polling firms poll a tiny, tiny, tiny slice of the population.

Pew's polls, which are the gold standard, poll thousands at a time. Out of hundreds of millions of Americans.

You need to demonstrate why the forums are peculiar in its composition. And you haven't.

Finally, the people complaining back in HW and SB never got the same number of likes as current threads. A lot of the replies also just told them to get good.

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Also, as far as the number of likes argument goes, the message I quoted currently has a larger amount of likes then the replies. And the message is wrong, at least the pew center part. And easily proven so.
So no, number of likes does not mean anything to the validity of a claim.

Really wish content creators are more responsible!!!

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Originally Posted by Ayalu

Funny here in the casual scenes we hear that the Raiders want everything to be ultra simple so its easier for there hardcore content.

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Worth noting as well it's primarily people in the "hardcore" crowd that "needs" all those combat-assistance addons on top of getting caught out right cheating, so one wonders if those particular set of "hardcore" players are worth listening to about content that they technically don't play either because a third-party program plays it for them, lol.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

Worth noting as well it's primarily people in the "hardcore" crowd that "needs" all those combat-assistance addons on top of getting caught out right cheating, so one wonders if those particular set of "hardcore" players are worth listening to about content that they technically don't play either because a third-party program plays it for them, lol.

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Great point; the amount of third party program these "we're actually playing the game" crowd use really says a lot about them.

Striker is 100% right here in that the healer strike thread constitutes a voluntary sample which is subject to an incredibly high chance of sampling bias whereas something like the pre research centre would aim for a randomised sample that has a much lower chance of sampling bias (it still has a lot of other bias potential but lower than a voluntary sample)

The point I disagree on is the fact that since square never actually does any samples or never tells us how they actually collect their feedback we really don’t have much else to go on so to speak. We are running with the best “data” we have even if it’s flawed so it’s kinda hard to definitively draw conclusions one way or another

Square desperately needs to make their feedback response more transparent because right now it’s a disaster

My favorite example of this is when Cider Spider, a Scholar main calls the healer strike stupid, and then immediately runs down agreeing with every one of our talking points.
All this in a series where he repeatedly talks about letting Selene do all the healing, and barely needing to do anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAkbfj1w61g 27:02

This seems to always be the case in these videos I see. They insult the strike, then backhandedly throw out that healer design sucks, and that tanks are way too powerful. Maybe they'll say that "we've always been able to no-healer dungeons" as if that makes it not an issue.

It seems our special "data analyst" guy has hidden the main spreadsheet that contains forum and character names, but the document is archived for those interested.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...ality=lossless

However, the "butthurt edition" still remains up (original and archived) and we also know who the person behind it is as they're more than willing showing off their prowess.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...ality=lossless

Even as much as admitting using 3rd party app/website to create the list.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...ality=lossless

You may say, "well, the butthurt version only contains initials, why care?", so let me demonstrate why it's still an issue.

First, if you go and look the very first person on the list, you will see the following:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...ality=lossless

You can figure out who this person is by doing the next step:
• Go to "General Discussion" and look for the "#HEALERSTRIKE" thread
• Click "Replies" and it will pop out a window with individual participants (their forum names) and amount of posts they've made.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...ality=lossless
• I can see the first poster on top is Supersnow845 and I click the name, opening their profile
• By going into the "Characters" tab, I can see a single character named "Andreas Cestelle" on Jenova server, coinciding with the "A.C." initials, therefore I'm allowed to link 1 and 1 together, telling me who is who. You can do this with every single person with initials on that list because the lists starts from person with most posts to the one with least.

For reference, I've used Supersnow845 as the character they use isn't their main, it's an alt character, therefore it's more or less "safe", but many people still use their main characters to post on forums. Correction: It's their main, but not the one they raid with (thank you for the correction)

Had our data analyst friend made a spreadsheet without ever using names in the first place, this wouldn't have been an issue whatsoever, even less if things would've been placed at random.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

I don’t mind you using me as an example but just for reference Andreas is my main it’s just not the character I raid on so Andreas’s logs aren’t my “real” logs

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Originally Posted by GartredZW

My favorite example of this is when Cider Spider, a Scholar main calls the healer strike stupid, and then immediately runs down agreeing with every one of our talking points.
All this in a series where he repeatedly talks about letting Selene do all the healing, and barely needing to do anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAkbfj1w61g 27:02

This seems to always be the case in these videos I see. They insult the strike, then backhandedly throw out that healer design sucks, and that tanks are way too powerful. Maybe they'll say that "we've always been able to no-healer dungeons" as if that makes it not an issue.

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No reason to agree that people might have a point when you can dismiss it and make the same point yourself so people will think you're smarter or something.

I've also already seen multiple people making that mentioned argument, too. Normally, if something has always been poorly designed that should be regarded as a fault, not an excuse.

It doesnt even matter if there are names there or not. The point of the spreadsheet is to just dismiss any and all criticism by calling the entire thread casual, probably to get attention from their favorite streamer.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

It doesnt even matter if there are names there or not. The point of the spreadsheet is to just dismiss any and all criticism by calling the entire thread casual, probably to get attention from their favorite streamer.

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It was already done, by the way, the guy messaged Xeno himself by sending him the spreadsheet on Twitter :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Rehayem

It was already done, by the way, the guy messaged Xeno himself by sending him the spreadsheet on Twitter :rolleyes:

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Isn't such a behaviour and practice ban worthy?
We apparently have the username because he put it in the document.

Using crawlers to collect data from official forums and third party websites to then use it in that way. @.@.

But then it will be viewed as pro-strikers firing back via targeted attack to a player who done "nothing" wrong.

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Originally Posted by Ayalu

Isn't such a behaviour and practice ban worthy?
We apparently have the username because he put it in the document.

Using crawlers to collect data from official forums and third party websites to then use it in that way. @.@.

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We all know SE's lack of patience and tolerance for parsing and logs, if said logs are used to somehow shame or belittle people in game or on forums like this, that amounts to harassment and that is against TOS.

https://i.postimg.cc/wMWykf4B/Screen...-25-090402.png

https://i.postimg.cc/wTXTHbQR/Screen...-25-090435.png

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Originally Posted by rawker

But then it will be viewed as pro-strikers firing back via targeted attack to a player who done "nothing" wrong.

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Well it would be square enix who bans him based on the things he committed.

Seriously i get not participating in the strike but the toxic and hostile attitude from some here is absolute no go.

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Originally Posted by Edmund_Blackadder

We all know SE's lack of patience and tolerance for parsing and logs, if said logs are used to somehow shame or belittle people in game or on forums like this, that amounts to harassment and that is against TOS.

https://i.postimg.cc/wMWykf4B/Screen...-25-090402.png

https://i.postimg.cc/wTXTHbQR/Screen...-25-090435.png

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In this scale it should be a perma ban.
Collecting the information and then sending it to a sizable influencer....if that explode they have to act.

And that is why the issue of parsers and parser brains will never get addressed. Eliminate one, something new will pop out. And the worst part is, healer mains will now become the official scapegoats of these types of people... it's pretty evident.

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Originally Posted by rawker

And that is why the issue of parsers and parser brains will never get addressed. Eliminate one, something new will pop out. And the worst part is, healer mains will now become the official scapegoats of these types of people... it's pretty evident.

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You have to remember the guy one day woke up and thought "I should make a spreadsheet of all the dumb casuls in the thread, regardless if they're with or against the strike".

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Originally Posted by Rehayem

You have to remember the guy one day woke up and thought "I should make a spreadsheet of all the dumb casuls in the thread, regardless if they're with or against the strike".

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And then he took 3 workdays to actually do it and at no point did he realize that maybe he shouldn't.

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Originally Posted by Ayalu

Isn't such a behaviour and practice ban worthy?
We apparently have the username because he put it in the document.

Using crawlers to collect data from official forums and third party websites to then use it in that way. @.@.

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Ideally yes, it should be, the spreadsheet in itself breaks Google TOS since it's a document designed to bully and harass, the document links seem to have been purged off twitter and reddit as well for the same reason, but SE doesn't really like to do anything if it happens out of game unless there's a big push from the community.
Streamers like Xenos and Arthars amplifying it and making content out of shaming forum members for disagreeing or having bad logs should probably at get a slap on the wrist since they are reresentatives for SE and CBU3 currently, but SE also goes really easy on streamers when it comes to penalties.

I doubt anyone invovled with this will get anything tangible, and at most the streamers and content creators involved will told by SE off the record to knock it off, but nothing else.

I think if you spend multiple days to comb a thread to collect over 600+ characters to compile into a thread by creating your own crawler, create your own metric to judge by, create the table with graphs and the FAQ, OUT who you are, and then send it out to streamers for good boy points....you probably should take a hammer to your PC and go outside.

This goes above and beyond the levels of mental capacity for just a forum thread.

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Originally Posted by WetShoelace

How is this streamer still allowed in this game?
Media Tour approved content creator Arthars' thoughts on MSQ players and the Healer strike players

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Why bother caring what he's saying, while I disagree with his opinions on other players thats exactly what it is, an opinion and everyone is entitled to an opinion, if you don't like his opinion that's fine, his opinions will only carry weight with those who agree with him.

Although at 3.50 I do agree with his statement on how one person calling another person stupid is stupid because it's just low tier trash talking to try and belittle eachother, I've reflected on things I've said and I agree I've been stupid but I never called anyone stupid only got called stupid sooo *shrugs* why care?

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Originally Posted by Kathryn

Why bother caring what he's saying, while I disagree with his opinions on other players thats exactly what it is, an opinion and everyone is entitled to an opinion, if you don't like his opinion that's fine, his opinions will only carry weight with those who agree with him.

Although at 3.50 I do agree with his statement on how one person calling another person stupid is stupid because it's just low tier trash talking to try and belittle eachother, I've reflected on things I've said and I agree I've been stupid but I never called anyone stupid only got called stupid sooo *shrugs* why care?

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Nobody called you stupid. Stop it already. You came into the thread with a snarky attitude, got the same treatment and immediately started whining as if people were actually mistreating you.

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Originally Posted by WetShoelace

The message he ranted at says "What a stupid thing to say", which I'd say is different from him being called stupid. Either way, I don't think it's acceptable from a content creator that's supposed to represent the game to tell players they don't have a valid a opinion and that they should 'stop playing'. Also, if you don't care and don't feel like adding anything to the conversation, I'd recommend to avoid it.

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I mean, I think this makes it pretty clear that he's here to represent a certain section of the game, not the game itself. He already said essentially flat out that anyone who doesn't play Ultimates isn't even a player of the game, so I don't think he is really too bothered about appealing to the overall playerbase or bringing in the average newbie. I get the impression that if only him and the 5% were left, he'd consider that an improvement.