Ungendered sit poses, please?

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Originally Posted by Amenara

People hit the slippery slopes of how there will no longer be race/gender identity if the new sitting poses were made gender neutral. Still waiting on someone to answer whether you can have random sitting poses like the random idle standing poses or if that argument was complete BS. I would check in game but I can't since I am at work :(

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I looked the other day and you can't. Idle cycling works only for standing (I have that enabled). Can log on later and show settings once I'm able.

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

I looked the other day and you can't. Idle cycling works only for standing (I have that enabled). Can log on later and show settings once I'm able.

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Cool, so the only impact on everyone else is that they have to cycle through a couple extra poses while sitting...

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Originally Posted by Amenara

Cool, so the only impact on everyone else is that they have to cycle through a couple extra poses while sitting...

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Anyone using that as an argument against it has obviously never used that feature before.
I've had that feature enabled since it was introduced and it has never rotated through my sit animations.

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Originally Posted by Joven

The reason I looked at the "most viewed" (not most downloaded) is because it gives an insight to how many people visit that site and where their interests lie. It establishes a baseline number. If 664k people (the number from the highest viewed mod) looked at one mod then it shows that at least 664k people are using mods. Of those 664k modders you've now established exist, 30k or so show an interest in a particular mod. That establishes a percentage. 30k viewers of that one mod is 4.5% of the 664k known modders. If the number of modders is higher than your baseline and the number of views on that one particular mod remains the same then its over all percentage value decreases.

Nobody said anywhere that there isn't going to be demand from outside the forums either.

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Late to the party but that's not how that works. 664k people can download one mod but hundreds of thousands of others can ignore said mod and view/download others instead. You can get a loose estimation but it's definitely not reflective of the entire community to judge off one mod. I'm gonna go off assumption and say the mod you looked at was a body mod because they tend to be popular. There's actually dozens of different kinds of bodies to choose from and the community tends to use three in particular but there are a healthy portion that use the other more specific ones (androgynous for example). The same can also be applied to clothes, hair, makeup, etc. I assure you, there are more than 664k modders in this game. XD Try closer to a million or more at this point.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Late to the party but that's not how that works. 664k people can download one mod but hundreds of thousands of others can ignore said mod and view/download others instead. You can get a loose estimation but it's definitely not reflective of the entire community to judge off one mod. I'm gonna go off assumption and say the mod you looked at was a body mod because they tend to be popular. There's actually dozens of different kinds of bodies to choose from and the community tends to use three in particular but there are a healthy portion that use the other more specific ones (androgynous for example). The same can also be applied to clothes, hair, makeup, etc. I assure you, there are more than 664k modders in this game. XD Try closer to a million or more at this point.

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Uh, yeah, that's kind of the point. It doesn't matter if they only look and move on. The fact they're there means they're either already modding, or looking to get into it. Either way it's a minor baseline number. Obviously there are going to be more than that. I never claimed that was the total number of modders. Which makes the comparable percentage of people looking at/downloading the particular mod in question on here significantly lower.

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Originally Posted by Joven

Uh, yeah, that's kind of the point. It doesn't matter if they only look and move on. The fact they're there means they're either already modding, or looking to get into it. Either way it's a minor baseline number. Obviously there are going to be more than that. I never claimed that was the total number of modders. Which makes the comparable percentage of people looking at/downloading the particular mod in question here significantly lower.

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I'm referring to the people that don't look at it at all. You're not accounting for everyone, that's my point. You can get a loose estimation but not a number that actually reflects the entire community. I used body mods as an example because there are multiple and totaling those together would give a more closer number but still wouldn't account for those who still use the vanilla body.

Pretty much the way you phrased it came off like you were basing the entire community off one mod. If that wasn't your intention then fair enough but that's how your discussion read to me.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

I'm referring to the people that don't look at it at all. You're not accounting for everyone, that's my point.

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I don't have to. All I need is a large enough number to start with to have something to compare to. There are at least, something I've said several times in multiple posts, 664k modders. As such 30k modders, for the poses, equates to only 4.5% of that number. Obviously as the number of modders is increased by however many, then the percentage value of the mod in question will decrease.

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

See things like this are what make having all the sitting positions worth. It is the little things in life that cannot be tied down to a number. Seeing a lala sit like a catboi makes me smile from ear to ear. Share the joy!

Edit:Going to take the hit to my account. What exactly is wrong with stuff like this?

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Seems like a weird hill to die on to try and refuse stuff like this, but that is just me. I understand and respect the difference in opinions. Just seems fairly harmless to me, and I just never got the whole slippery slop arguments tbh.

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you a female man spreading ? eww gross you need to be more feminate. Or you guy siting as a girl? you need to masculine /s

what wrong with people not having more options. All jokes aside there are women npc squatting in kugene.

Feel like people need to touch some grass or something. there are tomboys and tomgirls in the world.

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Originally Posted by Axxion

you a female man spreading ? eww gross you need to be more feminate. Or you guy siting as a girl? you need to masculine /s

what wrong with people not having more options. All jokes aside there are women npc squatting in kugene.

Feel like people need to touch some grass or something. there are tomboys and tomgirls in the world.

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Originally Posted by Joven

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Go outside you look more pale then lord voldemort

Need you get some air because you starting to smell like a biohazard

better?

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Originally Posted by Axxion

Go outside you look more pale then lord voldemort

Need you get some air because you starting to smell like a biohazard

better?

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Actually worse.

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Originally Posted by Joven

Actually worse.

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Originally Posted by Joven

So here's a novel idea: why not link a few sites where this is discused. I'm sure you could find something on Twitter or Reddit to substantiate your claim of "lots of people outside the forums". Maybe look in your Discords upon Discords. There's bound to be something there.

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1) I never said lots of people lmao. Like ever. I just said the demand does exist somewhere out there otherwise mods for it wouldn't exist.

2) Bro, how about this: no. Why don't you show me links of people not wanting ungendered sits. Why am I the one putting effort for you? Smh.

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Originally Posted by Padudu

1) I never said lots of people lmao. Like ever. I just said the demand does exist somewhere out there otherwise mods for it wouldn't exist.

2) Bro, how about this: no. Why don't you show me links of people not wanting ungendered sits. Why am I the one putting effort for you? Smh.

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1) There's always going to be demand for something that's not in the game.

2) I don't need to, it's right here in front of you on this forum.

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Originally Posted by Joven

1) There's always going to be demand for something that's not in the game.

2) I don't need to, it's right here in front of you on this forum.

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You do realize the forums makes up a tiny percentage of the player base right?

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Originally Posted by Padudu

You do realize the forums makes up a tiny percentage of the player base right?

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You do realize that the same level of silence is seen across all platforms, right?

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Originally Posted by DRHaymaker

You do realize that the same level of silence is seen across all platforms, right?

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Keep malding over the idea of SE catering to the "small number of players" bro lol.

In all seriousness, it's obv. we're not going to see eye-to-eye and I'm kinda over it ngl. Let's leave it at that so we can stop shitting up the thread with this conversation lol. I think we've all said what needs to be said in that regard.

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Originally Posted by Padudu

Keep malding over the idea of SE catering to the "small number of players" bro lol.

In all seriousness, it's obv. we're not going to see eye-to-eye and I'm kinda over it ngl. Let's leave it at that so we can stop shitting up the thread with this conversation lol. I think we've all said what needs to be said in that regard.

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Bro this thread has as much shit stacked up as that sick triceratops from the original Jurrasic Park.

As a community wouldn't it in theory be better to think of compromises where such things can coexist instead of just shooting it down like some have? I understand drawing the line at a feature that would alter a core element of the game. Like say if someone for accessibility sake wanted SE to create an easy mode ultimate or savage with the same rewards. I understand why such a thing would warrent a degree of disdain.

Though unlocking poses just seems like a benigh thing and with the some adjustments like a favorite pose system, or allowing players to use a command to sit a certain way like /pose female 1. Idk, just spit balling ideas, I just feel the community would be better off working together to come up with ideas to make certain requests work in a theoretical world instead of just shooting it down by saying don't want it, don't like it, or don't need it. Same goes for the other side also, while ultimately the only prerequisites for posting a suggestion on the forum are an active user account and a desire to want something added. That being said, when one makes a suggestion one should think how it many impact others ans acknowledge such things. You by no means have to come up with a solution but acknowledging the possibility and asking for help to flesh out the idea / request from both sides would go a long way. You will still have people that say no no matter what, bug at the very least you would have shown you put in effort to consider all parties feelings on the subject.

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Originally Posted by Padudu

You do realize the forums makes up a tiny percentage of the player base right?

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Again, doesn't matter. All you requested was examples of people not wanting it. Here it is.

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Originally Posted by Joven

Again, doesn't matter. All you requested was examples of people not wanting it. Here it is.

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Fair enough lmao

Hot damn this is still going on, I never knew people could be so passionate about sitting in whichever direction, the yes or the no.

Can I squat like a slav though please?

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

Hot damn this is still going on, I never knew people could be so passionate about sitting in whichever direction, the yes or the no.

Can I squat like a slav though please?

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If female pirate npcs in Limsa can do it we should be able to as well.

Not surprising at all starting to read this thread and seeing people who gets offended by others asking for options they don't like.

I hate the 'joke' animal glams so... I just don't use it. The logic can't be more simple than that.