Passive Aggressive is the way.
But I rarely use it.
Tactful ways to inform people that they're playing badly?
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09-25-2019, 08:20 AMZarkovitch
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10-16-2019, 10:55 PMAngus-Beef
I don't know anymore honestly, I was called out recently for trying to tell a tank in dun mehg they should cycle cool downs more, even told them which they should use when. Their response was this was their first time tanking and they're trying.
The bard in the party starts white knighting saying it wasn't a big deal the pulls aren't big, I'm sitting here healing them from 50%health from just three mobs hitting them.
Not a single cool down used almost all dungeon, me steadily healing them and trying to give them basic advice so other future healers won't eat them alive.
I knew the brd wouldn't to a vote kick, but that's my usual go to, if people wanna be bad or get mad at polite advice then let them suffer I guess. -
10-16-2019, 11:00 PMSousui_
Boil'em, mash'em, stick'em in a stew!
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10-17-2019, 02:26 AMRasikkoSwap out deficient with insufficient, and healing aptitude with "ability to heal" and quite with highly, and the chances of this happening probably go up 50%. He uses such words that most people don't even know so it's water on their bridge, they also don't have a strong tone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mavrias
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10-17-2019, 02:28 AMSerLukeDo you have screenshots of someone saying this and getting confronted by a GM?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rasikko
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10-17-2019, 02:29 AMmonk-dps
You don't. Because unless you know the person noone wants to hear your mess. Even if you're right, people aren't trying to listen to -npc player number 5697 in random dungeon 1976-. Like I get it, it's maddening when you see people do moronic things, but in this cilmate of players and the state of the world now. Nope. It's not worth it only for people to instantly snap back cause in their head they are like " The hell are you?"
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10-17-2019, 03:11 AMTheForceNo, it is not. This is the kinda stuff that gives FF14 players a bad name. Fake kindness/passive aggressiveness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zarkovitch
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10-17-2019, 03:14 AMTheForceHmm, the fact that you're tossing around terms like "white knight", and trying to pretty much completely dictate the Tank's gameplay to the letter makes it hard to believe that you're a polite person. Work on your social skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by Angus-Beef
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10-17-2019, 04:12 AMAlucard135Better than pure toxicity when kind words are not working, though. Or would you prefer people use the silent kick treatment?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheForce
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10-17-2019, 08:03 AMVahlnirOnly if they're lalafells.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sousui_
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10-17-2019, 08:23 AMAngus-BeefNah my social skills are pretty solid, a person snapping at me for trying to give advice to a tank who isn't using cooldowns is straight up white knighting. It's not dictating someones game play when they're straightup not using half their kit.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheForce
If I say for example *hey I noticed you're not using rampart, you should try leading off with it when you start pulls* I'm being polite and patient, that's 1.
2. Most healers I've seen in situations like that will just be rude and rag them for doing a lvl 73 dungeon as their first dungeon in the first place. -
10-17-2019, 08:37 AMAlucard135Spoken like a true gentleman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vahlnir
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10-17-2019, 08:38 AMAngus-BeefAlso how can I dictate gameplay if they're arent even interacting with half what tank gameplay is, which is mitigating damage, how can a tank mitigate of they dont even read the tool tips before they run a dungeon, or just not run a lvl 73 dungeon as their first run and do something like sastasha, or take like 15 min to look in the hall of novice, or watch a video. I mean literally anything so we literally dont even have to have this discussion of how to be polite to people when they're not even realizing they're badQuote:
Originally Posted by TheForce
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10-17-2019, 10:03 AMTroySoFabQuote:
Originally Posted by Raldo
Yeah I'm making this my sig :p But please tell me this never actually happened. -
10-18-2019, 02:03 AMsakkito
Eh, I don't leave parties I am in unless someone is pile of vile or I am in a hurry somewhere. I do leave feedback if someone does mechanic wrongly (even if we pass it; it is useful for them to know for the future's sake) or if someone's rotation is off to the side so much we may wipe because of it or someone does something weird. The fun part that nowadays anything can offend, but you can at least keep up with niceties so you know that it is not you triggering them, it is on them. Also I would avoid using term 'bad' because it is general and not really helpful. There is no point in informing someone that their game play could use improvement, if you are not about to help them change that or at least inform exact things he should change about what he is doing. There is a difference between constructive criticism and plain flaming.
The general advice I would give anyone wanting to give feedback to always make sure to be polite (seems like duh but...), remember about your 'could' 'please/pls' especially when it comes to changing the way they are doing mechanics, etc.
p.e. 'pls move behind rock 4 shardfall so you don't get the vuln stack' (in the burn)
If you want to educate someone on what he is doing wrong rotation wise I avoid using anything that makes it personal. So like, in my last sastasha run with CNJ I typed in:
'Medica is aoe heal'
'Cure is for 1 prsn'
It is not the first conjurer using medica in sastasha (I do believe in giving advice for non job players in first dungeons because that is where they actually learn). I think one run before when I did just that I got a responce from the conjurer that she knows but she prefers medica's animation. Weirdly enough she stopped using medica forward on. I just laughed.
In general It works for me. I actually never got flamed for advice I give (admittedly I don't do that often ) besides one random time I have run on as tank (and I don't feel super confident in that role at all) in Hell's Lid and I realised that the ast didn't pick a sect. So I have stopped and asked them 'could you please choose a sect because its lack is making me nervous xD'. The healer raged at me about staying out of her business. I literally blanked her for a min or two (just left it) and then after a min she apologised saying she had a bad day. The rest of the run went fine but I just kept quiet.
But yeah if I had to make it into a precise advice I would say: be polite, specific in your advice and not personal (and defo no rude words). -
10-18-2019, 02:23 PMSamSmoot
I don't know enough about other classes to even comment on their ability usage, nor would I notice even if I did. (I don't even know how to tell what abilities someone is using or not.
Now, in the case of mechanic failures, I've mentioned things to the group like "You have to hide behind a rock when XYZ ability is casting, or please don't drop the meteors too close to the wall so we can get behind them. I do this without singling out the offender, and usually they do it right next time. -
10-18-2019, 11:01 PMSieyaM
I haven't read the entire thread so I do not know if it was derailed or not, but I will throw my pitch anyway. Yes there are some people that no matter what you say or how you say it they will be offended or upset and cause a scene, but I really believe these are a minority of players. I think it is a much greater value to offer help and try and teach other players than to just leave it and let people play poorly. Most people who play want to play well, and I would imagine most people who say their advice isn't met well most of the time probably aren't as friendly with it as they imagine. There is a great deal of difference between telling someone you want to help them improve and telling them they're bad and need to improve.