I mean compared to its major competitor WoW, FF14's cash shop is significantly larger. In fact, just raw eyeing it looks to be in excess of 7x larger if we focus strictly on in game items/services (377/~50). If I'm wrong though let me know. Don't forget either that FF14 is less than half the age of WoW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth
7x the cash shop content, despite being less than the half the age? Not exactly something to just simply hand wave away.
Are the developers of XIV out of touch?
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07-04-2018, 04:18 AMKaldeaSahaline
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07-04-2018, 04:28 AMRemedi
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...wow_and_other/
The cash shop is bloated by a bad decision on making old events items appearing on it otherrwise not many things are designed for it (also let's not forget that we asked the items of the Korean cashops which in the recent E3 round of interwiews Yoshida has specified that KR asks them to create such things and they are essentially property of KR not of SE)
It's worth taking a note to the fact that while cash shop items have been increaseing of late so have in-game rewards.
As such it's overblown, there are reasons to be angry like the events rewards but when you put it in prospective it's not really -
07-04-2018, 04:36 AMjameseoakesI'm not sure I'd agree with that, this patch feels pretty light on in game rewards so far, I mean they couldn't even be bothered to do a male glamour set this patch.Quote:
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07-04-2018, 04:56 AMValkyrie_Lennethand 90% of the items in the cash shop were available in game to those who were subscribed at the time. 90% of the rest are reskins or alternate regions cash shop items. the amount of cash shop unique items is very low.Quote:
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07-04-2018, 05:07 AMKaivaC
I know it's been a while since I personally touched on this subject, but I'm not sure it's so much that the devs are out of touch, it's that either them or Square itself that is afraid of major innovation. The most recent example I could think of was Eureka - surely, there was somebody on the team that had different ideas, but it felt like their fear of Eureka led them to ...create another Eureka with relics and nothing for DoH/DoLs. If it as truly as Yoshi P says and some of the requested features from the playerbase would create strain on the servers, my response to that would be, what was the whole point of moving the servers if not to lessen the strain on them? It feels like they are in a holding pattern, trying to reach 5.0 - it says as much when the last time Yoshi said something along the lines of 'if FFXIV survives past 5.0'. I dunno, that's not exactly a comforting thing to tell the playerbase that you want to retain.
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07-04-2018, 05:31 AMAerlanamy concern is only one thingQuote:
Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth
Today a new player comes in
On WoW he can buy around 500 euros of stuff
On FF he can buy around 900
In the way i watch, only "how much could be spent in" FFXIV is far worse than WoW
and exclusiv cash shop, only 10% sure? with all NPC outfit... most of the mount...
BTW, just stop saying "hey, wow is worse so, no problem" If i cut your arm but a friend of yours got his 2 arms cut by anyone else, you will be able to say "hey, finally you are not a so bad people, you did only cut one arm" ... This is the same thing each time you defend FFXIV saying "others are doing worse" I prefer to see what others do better... and how FFXIV can improve, more and more... -
07-04-2018, 05:40 AMValkyrie_LennethI have yet to mention WoW. I have no experience in that game other than like... 12 years ago.Quote:
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07-04-2018, 05:42 AMRemediAllow me the shade, that's about every patch since launch though.Quote:
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07-04-2018, 07:59 AMAlleoLets not forget that every event item that is in there will be a new item for those that missed the event. So instead of getting it ingame they will have to pay cash. And yes the asian items are kinda fine since they are "exclusive" items but the shop has more than that too. Several exclusive mounts or re-colors, NPC gear and lets not forget the housing items that are cash shop only.Quote:
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07-04-2018, 08:39 AMRemediHe counted everything. The malice would say that since they added mogstation they stopped adding novelty items to the game which isn't the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alleo
However it's true that since their decision of putting all old events rewards to the mogstation there's a division on new players and subbed players.
As a subbed player the fact that they add an old item to the cash shop doesn't really have anything for me. However for a new player is ugly as you said.
However I hope that them readding the last year GS event rewards to the vendor instead of the cash shop might be a change into something (even though I don't believe it) maybe they simply did it because TT cards on the shop would've been pay 2 win, though that doesn't explain the haircut but w/e.
Also let me remind you my disdain for the addition of KR shop items, which goes long way to say how really things are in the community about cash shop items. Even some friends of mine are fine with emote on the cashshop. Frankly cash shop are a thing because ppl likes them so honestly speaking ppl that don't like them like myself are the minority -
07-04-2018, 07:23 PMAlleo
Yeah I know. Just wanted to point out that they might be old for us but for a new player the cash shop is huge. But sadly wont go away.
Also not sure if this is the right thread for this. But seemingly (not 100% sure if this is true) they went against another promise and we will be able to buy two 1.0 earrings at the next rising event..stuff that has been promised to remain completely exclusive to 1.0 players that did the storyline and that fought a certain battle..if that is true then they have no reason to leave the PVP rewards exclusive.. -
07-04-2018, 07:30 PMRemedi
Ye I read that, pretty lame if you ask me.
Thought it was a matter of time since they added to mogstation the moogle suit which was exclusive for buying the twitch stream of the first fanfest. But I suppose we live in the world of timed exclusives -
07-05-2018, 11:01 PMKaldeaSahalineHow confident on the 90% number are you? Before I spend the time going through all 377 items. You're implying that of the 377 total items/services in the mog station only approx. 40 items are unique correct? If you knowingly exaggerated without putting an iota of effort into this response now is the time to remedy that.Quote:
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07-05-2018, 11:30 PMValkyrie_LennethGo for it. I'm fairly confident. From my standpoint as someone who has been subbed since launch, there are very few unique items that are mogstation exclusive.Quote:
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07-06-2018, 12:37 AMRemedi
I'll say that imho mogstation items are insiltuing since they are either reskins of in-game items with a new BGM or a rip of character animation and then sold.
Frankly that's what it's most insulting of it, I don't get why ppl don't give heat to SE for that, because frankly they are askin your money for a recolor -
07-07-2018, 02:06 AMMaero
I would say 90% is pretty close. Also are the old Vet Rewards there? I am sure they will be if they are not yet seeing as the vet Reward system does not really exist anymore.
Things are just so overpriced in the cash shop, then again so are items in other mmo's -
07-07-2018, 03:46 AMKaldeaSahalineMind you this is as far from scientific as could possibly be and their website UI and functionality actually started to make my brain bleed, but I counted approx. 80 items that were unique.Quote:
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- I did not count multiple instances of similar things. I.e. The Edda weapons really shouldn't be 5 freaking things. That's just terrible design.
- I counted one for job potions. I did not count 1 for each individual job because this is also stupid design.
- I counted one for each story skip. I.e. ARR was 1, and HW was 1.
- I counted Fantasia as one. I did not count any of the records including multiple copies of Fantasia.
- For the HW gear I counted it once because I feel that you should get the entire weapon ensemble for purchase, despite being different weapons. I counted the gear separately though.
I obviously didn't count stupid stuff like pots of dye, etc. If I remove all that stuff 80 is still a lot of items, especially if you consider how many of the 377 are just duplicates of others, it ends up being roughly like 80/150 which is nearly 50%.
By all means though, check my numbers. - I did not count multiple instances of similar things. I.e. The Edda weapons really shouldn't be 5 freaking things. That's just terrible design.
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07-07-2018, 04:25 AMDzianThink its partly because people don't understand the value of money these days.. Which is why debt problems are so common place.Quote:
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07-07-2018, 04:37 AMFelisWho would buy vet rewards if a NPC already sell them ingame for achievement points?Quote:
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07-10-2018, 03:57 AMCoombahI agree with this and to go a bit further... speaking of breaking immersion .. most of the mounts are crap.. I would have stuck with chocobos and added more content to them to make getting one an achievement , I would have gave them more progression as levels and expansions came out and then there’s the MINIONS...waist of time and resource.. that just my two cents ..Quote:
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07-10-2018, 10:02 AMKhanscottThis x 9001Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzian
Look at college loans. People get useless degrees and 6 digit sums of debt while completely lacking the foresight to see the obvious conclusion to their own stupid decisions.
Besides, the reason Mogstation even exists is to recoup the losses incurred from the stupid mistakes that S-E makes. A near decade of wasted money and time spent on XV and who thought hiring CyberConnect2 was a good idea? Actually, I think I just found out how YoshiP got his promotion LOL!