Not the time to charge, cya in 2013...

Bump because I think this thread needs a few more complaints in it.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

Bump because I think this thread needs a few more complaints in it.

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I think Miqo'te need a Chest Size customization option.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

Bump because I think this thread needs a few more complaints in it.

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Does it really need anymore trolling and flaming then it has.

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Originally Posted by Sevokevo_Royuki

Does it really need anymore trolling and flaming then it has.

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sure, why not?

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

sure, why not?

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If you're going to be a blatant troll, you could at least try to be creative?

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

If you're going to be a blatant troll, you could at least try to be creative?

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Pot. Kettle. Black.

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Originally Posted by Alerith

Pot. Kettle. Black.

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You. clearly. dont. know. what. a. troll. is.

Points for originality though.

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

If you're going to be a blatant troll, you could at least try to be creative?

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No, I'm going to act like the rest of the trolls and rage quitters and say the same thing over and over and over again as if it's something new and exciting.


...so you're mad about the upcoming subscription fee, we know. can we move on?

Well i wont stop until this thread gets locked with with an even number of pages.

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Originally Posted by Alerith

I think Miqo'te need a Chest Size customization option.

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+1, how did I miss this?

34 pages (pulls out calculator) , ok this thread can now be closed.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

No, I'm going to act like the rest of the trolls and rage quitters and say the same thing over and over and over again as if it's something new and exciting.


...so you're mad about the upcoming subscription fee, we know. can we move on?

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see this is sheep for u. no1 is mad about the new sub fee...

i am all for it accualy believe it or not...

i just like trolling sheep who will buy crap straight out of the box and spoon feed it to their self.

see this is entertaining to me, and it oviously entertains SE to that why i have not been banned.

they know ur all sheep and will pay for this crap.

See i am not mad about the fee because i am not goin to pay it.

but i will continue to troll u sheep who religously def it and act like wadas 4.5 million paycheck he got this year for this broken game is not enought to pay for his screw up.

he screwed the game up not me.

if they would have let me in the beta then then i would have trolled the beta forums till they listened and new it was broke then none of use would have wasted our money.

u see u think im mad cuzz i wasted my money, but truthfully i have more than earned it back myself by the laughs i get from trolling u fanboys and seeing how mad u get over ur shepards game.

u see sheep like you are reason this game is broke. more worried bout why ur sublagar cant be died pink, and when u get sexy gear, and if yoshis accesorie caped with his cheap silver rings he wore on his interview.

Sheep like u want content because u still played this game even when it was complety unbarable to play, i credit ur dedication, but ur still a tool.

most people defing fact this game is not ready just realy wants to to keep their char cuzz they know the only other option SE has is to shut down this failed game and remake it like they plan to.

but why shut this down when we got sheep like u to beta test all the bugs for us ad pay us for doing it.

u sheep remind me of the sheep who bought the dumbest game ever "champions online", only to get beta invite to another fanboy style mmo STO. it was a complete fail also.

u see i have cap lvled a toon in about 15 different mmos. and i know what the basics are to 1.

i have played f2p games with better server and less lag. more content and alot more fun.

this game is missing so much stuff it is not ready to be charged for.

Feed me more plz in bigger portions,

my leve will be over in 5 mins and ill afk the other 10 since SE thinks copy pasted Leves are fun, so ill be back to troll u sheep some more.

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Originally Posted by stoned

see this is sheep for u. no1 is mad about the new sub fee...

i am all for it accualy believe it or not...

i just like trolling sheep who will buy crap straight out of the box and spoon feed it to their self.

see this is entertaining to me, and it oviously entertains SE to that why i have not been banned.

they know ur all sheep and will pay for this crap.

See i am not mad about the fee because i am not goin to pay it.

but i will continue to troll u sheep who religously def it and act like wadas 4.5 million paycheck he got this year for this broken game is not enought to pay for his screw up.

he screwed the game up not me.

if they would have let me in the beta then then i would have trolled the beta forums till they listened and new it was broke then none of use would have wasted our money.

u see u think im mad cuzz i wasted my money, but truthfully i have more than earned it back myself by the laughs i get from trolling u fanboys and seeing how mad u get over ur shepards game.

u see sheep like you are reason this game is broke. more worried bout why ur sublagar cant be died pink, and when u get sexy gear, and if yoshis accesorie caped with his cheap silver rings he wore on his interview.

Sheep like u want content because u still played this game even when it was complety unbarable to play, i credit ur dedication, but ur still a tool.

most people defing fact this game is not ready just realy wants to to keep their char cuzz they know the only other option SE has is to shut down this failed game and remake it like they plan to.

but why shut this down when we got sheep like u to beta test all the bugs for us ad pay us for doing it.

u sheep remind me of the sheep who bought the dumbest game ever "champions online", only to get beta invite to another fanboy style mmo STO. it was a complete fail also.

u see i have cap lvled a toon in about 15 different mmos. and i know what the basics are to 1.

this game is missing so much stuff it is not ready to be charged for.

Feed me more plz in bigger portions,
my leve will be over in 5 mins and ill afk the other 10 since SE thinks copy pasted Leves are fun, so ill be back to troll u sheep some more.

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Good trolls don't admit to trolling. Fail troll is fail.

Stoned you are my new favorite person in this forum. I will quote this on the next page so that everyone gets a chance to see this awesome post.

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

Stoned you are my new favorite person in this forum. I will quote this on the next page so that everyone gets a chance to see this awesome post.

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You are a very sad person.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

You are a very sad person.

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Funny I was just thinking the exact same thing about you :) yay we have something in common?

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Originally Posted by stoned

OH KNOW HE DIDNT GO TROLLING MY AGE....

U CANT BE MORE ORIGINAL?

GUESS NOT MINDLESS SHEEP LIKE U ONLY KNOW HOW TO FOLLOW.

I AMD 105 YEARS OLD I LIVE UNDER A BRIGDE, AND ONLY COME OUT @ NIGHT TO EAT UR BABYS.

DO THIS GO TO THE MIRROR AND PRACTICE TROLLING URSELF, COME BACK WHEN U GOT SOME ORIGINALITY

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Now you're trying to hard. You're making professional trolls look bad.

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Originally Posted by stoned

CAN COME1 TELL ME HOW TO JUMP?

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All jumping involves the application of force against a substrate, which in turn generates a reactive force that propels the jumper away from the substrate. Any solid or liquid capable of producing an opposing force can serve as a substrate, including ground or water.






But really. Jumping is not necessary in this game and honestly, I'm happier without it. XI didn't need it, XIV doesn't need it. I don't care how "standard" it is. You want to jump? Level Dragoon.

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Originally Posted by stoned

U ARE READING WRONG. U SEE ME AND THE SHEEP ARE HAVING A DEBATE ON WETHER THIS GAME IS WORTH PAYING OR NOT.

"SHEEP" "UR CHEAP IT ONLY COST PENNYS A DAY"
[TROLLS] 'IDE RATHER PAY THEM PENNIES TO A STARVING CHILD IN AFRICA"

[SHEEP] 'UR FREE LOADING U JUST WANT TO PLAY FOR FREE"

[TROLLS] 'NO I DONT I DONT EVEN WANT TO PLAY THIS INCOMPLETE GAME IM HAVING MORE FUN TROLLING THE FORUMS"

[SHEEP#2] 'WELL SE IS BROKE AND THE NEED OUR FUNDS'

[TROLLS] 'POINTS AT WADAS SALARY THIS YEAR 4.5 MILLION FOR PUTING OUT THE CRAP GAME THAT NOW IS GETTING REBUILT'

[SHEEP] [RUNS OUT OF DEBATABLE MATERAL NOW START TO TRY TO TROLL] "HE MUST LIVE IN A BARN AND IS ONLY 13'

[TROLLS] 'LAUGHS AS HIS WHOLE INTENTION OF MAKEING THE SHEEP ANGRY WORKED'

ENTERTAINING STUFF TO ME, U SEE I GOT ALL THE SHEEP COMIN BACK FOR MORE LOL FEED ME MORE PLZ TY.

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You obviously think you make more of an impact than you actually do. Everyone looks forward to the day you disappear. We don't care if you give money to SE and, in fact, would prefer that you don't.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

You obviously think you make more of an impact than you actually do. Everyone looks forward to the day you disappear. We don't care if you give money to SE and, in fact, would prefer that you don't.

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He's making a big enough impact to get you all riled up and I dont think he cares if you don't care what he thinks either :P keep on replying though, I'm gonna make some popcorn.

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

He's making a big enough impact to get you all riled up and I dont think he cares if you don't care what he thinks either :P keep on replying though, I'm gonna make some popcorn.

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You think this is riled up?

http://i53.tinypic.com/30t4cns.jpg

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Originally Posted by Wynn

You think this is riled up?

http://i53.tinypic.com/30t4cns.jpg

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You clearly won't shut up so, yeah.

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

You clearly won't shut up so, yeah.

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Naturally, because speaking one's mind is the equivalent to being upset.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

Naturally, because speaking one's mind is the equivalent to being upset.

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Wow ok you win.




You get a spot on my ignore list.




\^^/ yaaaaay

how is this thread not locked yet? Too much idiocy on both sides in one place...

Guys, we'll all be playing together one year from now.
Let's all be friends, ok? lol

As if the bar was set high in the OP

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Originally Posted by Wynn

As if the bar was set high in the OP

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Beat me to it.

See yall in game!

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

He's making a big enough impact to get you all riled up and I dont think he cares if you don't care what he thinks either :P keep on replying though, I'm gonna make some popcorn.

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lol no he's not ;p He is not riling me or any others off. I enjoy this Stoned, he is a sad little person to even feel the need to troll (and fail at it) look at all the posts mods have deleted already, wish they would just ban him already, so he would go back to playing Disney Toon Town or something.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

lol no he's not ;p He is not riling me or any others off. I enjoy this Stoned, he is a sad little person to even feel the need to troll (and fail at it) look at all the posts mods have deleted already, wish they would just ban him already, so he would go back to playing Disney Toon Town or something.

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Maybe you should get stoned every now and then, maybe you wouldn't come off as such a bon second thought, I'm not gonna go there at the risk of getting another 4 hour suspension. But you probably catch my drift.

I still don't get why there are apologists for this...

If a game is worth money, let it speak for itself, don't defend it like some kind of White Knight idiot on the forums, as if a major corporation needs your insignificant childish defense force to protect it from the monstrosities of people having standards.

The game SUCKS right now. Is it better than launch? A million times so -- but it still SUCKS. It is not a product worthy of a subscription fee; what's more telling is that almost no one plays it and it's FREE TO PLAY. Their financial issues are of their own doing and we should not have to bear the burden of their blindingly obvious mistakes.

A year of free game time on a shitty game is not a good deal when you spent $50-$80USD expecting a product of FFXI quality or better. There are several free-to-play games out and coming out that are changing the face of MMO gaming, while Square thinks they'll survive with a subscription plan in this day and age? People aren't even sure if The Old Republic will survive with its subscription fee. Free-to-play is becoming the way to go, it's extremely profitable and it keeps games lively for far longer.

The notion that you need subscriptions to succeed with your MMO is a fallacy that needs to die, and everyone defending this needs to get some goddamn perspective here in the real world. This idea is hugely unpopular, Yoshi-P acknowledged that in the goddamn post. Which means he's obviously having his hand forced.


That said... This is all just a distraction, I think.

But I don't think this has anything to do with generating revenue off of sub fees. I think it has to do with getting thousands of non-revenue generating players off of servers, lowering the player count immensely as they work on a product we can't really provide feedback for. (2.0)

The money they generate for fees will be infinitesimal. The money they save by creating that barrier, however, will be significant.

It's not a bad plan, but it has nothing to do with them needing money badly enough to rely on a few thousand subscribers (If they even get THAT many.) and more to do with them saving as much money as possible so that the game isn't hemmoraghing money until it gets its true release in 2012, which I greatly anticipate. (Honestly, that concept screenshot made me physically excited! (No, not like that. Well, maybe.) So here's hoping that it's accurate!)

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Originally Posted by Xbob42

I still don't get why there are apologists for this...

If a game is worth money, let it speak for itself, don't defend it like some kind of White Knight idiot on the forums, as if a major corporation needs your insignificant childish defense force to protect it from the monstrosities of people having standards.

The game SUCKS right now. Is it better than launch? A million times so -- but it still SUCKS. It is not a product worthy of a subscription fee; what's more telling is that almost no one plays it and it's FREE TO PLAY. Their financial issues are of their own doing and we should not have to bear the burden of their blindingly obvious mistakes.

A year of free game time on a shitty game is not a good deal when you spent $50-$80USD expecting a product of FFXI quality or better. There are several free-to-play games out and coming out that are changing the face of MMO gaming, while Square thinks they'll survive with a subscription plan in this day and age? People aren't even sure if The Old Republic will survive with its subscription fee. Free-to-play is becoming the way to go, it's extremely profitable and it keeps games lively for far longer.

The notion that you need subscriptions to succeed with your MMO is a fallacy that needs to die, and everyone defending this needs to get some goddamn perspective here in the real world. This idea is hugely unpopular, Yoshi-P acknowledged that in the goddamn post. Which means he's obviously having his hand forced.


That said... This is all just a distraction, I think.

But I don't think this has anything to do with generating revenue off of sub fees. I think it has to do with getting thousands of non-revenue generating players off of servers, lowering the player count immensely as they work on a product we can't really provide feedback for. (2.0)

The money they generate for fees will be infinitesimal. The money they save by creating that barrier, however, will be significant.

It's not a bad plan, but it has nothing to do with them needing money badly enough to rely on a few thousand subscribers (If they even get THAT many.) and more to do with them saving as much money as possible so that the game isn't hemmoraghing money until it gets its true release in 2012, which I greatly anticipate. (Honestly, that concept screenshot made me physically excited! (No, not like that. Well, maybe.) So here's hoping that it's accurate!)

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Nobody is White Knighting. We are saying if you don't like the game now and don't want to pay, then don't. Take care and we'll see you later, maybe.

If people really feel that a year of game time was not worth their purchase price, they shouldn't still be here. It's a load of crap. The people that are here, and are actually playing, like this game. They can lie all they want. Those that don't play and are just posting whine posts in the forums are nothing more than trolls since they don't play so what should it matter whether or not players are getting charged.

Either way you slice it, put up or shut up.

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Originally Posted by Xbob42

I still don't get why there are apologists for this...

If a game is worth money, let it speak for itself, don't defend it like some kind of White Knight idiot on the forums, as if a major corporation needs your insignificant childish defense force to protect it from the monstrosities of people having standards.

The game SUCKS right now. Is it better than launch? A million times so -- but it still SUCKS. It is not a product worthy of a subscription fee; what's more telling is that almost no one plays it and it's FREE TO PLAY. Their financial issues are of their own doing and we should not have to bear the burden of their blindingly obvious mistakes.

A year of free game time on a shitty game is not a good deal when you spent $50-$80USD expecting a product of FFXI quality or better. There are several free-to-play games out and coming out that are changing the face of MMO gaming, while Square thinks they'll survive with a subscription plan in this day and age? People aren't even sure if The Old Republic will survive with its subscription fee. Free-to-play is becoming the way to go, it's extremely profitable and it keeps games lively for far longer.

The notion that you need subscriptions to succeed with your MMO is a fallacy that needs to die, and everyone defending this needs to get some goddamn perspective here in the real world. This idea is hugely unpopular, Yoshi-P acknowledged that in the goddamn post. Which means he's obviously having his hand forced.


That said... This is all just a distraction, I think.

But I don't think this has anything to do with generating revenue off of sub fees. I think it has to do with getting thousands of non-revenue generating players off of servers, lowering the player count immensely as they work on a product we can't really provide feedback for. (2.0)

The money they generate for fees will be infinitesimal. The money they save by creating that barrier, however, will be significant.

It's not a bad plan, but it has nothing to do with them needing money badly enough to rely on a few thousand subscribers (If they even get THAT many.) and more to do with them saving as much money as possible so that the game isn't hemmoraghing money until it gets its true release in 2012, which I greatly anticipate. (Honestly, that concept screenshot made me physically excited! (No, not like that. Well, maybe.) So here's hoping that it's accurate!)

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100% agreed

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Originally Posted by Wynn

Nobody is White Knighting. We are saying if you don't like the game now and don't want to pay, then don't. Take care and we'll see you later, maybe.

If people really feel that a year of game time was not worth their purchase price, they shouldn't still be here. It's a load of crap. The people that are here, and are actually playing, like this game. They can lie all they want. Those that don't play and are just posting whine posts in the forums are nothing more than trolls since they don't play so what should it matter whether or not players are getting charged.

Either way you slice it, put up or shut up.

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telling us we shouldnt be in the general discussion forums? you sir are made out of gold, Gm,s will gonna rush to you in-game and gives you a /hug for defending a multi billion $ company. pretty sure at the release of v2.0 they gonna reward you with a "metaphorical cookie".

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Originally Posted by Bearforce

telling us we shouldnt be in the general discussion forums? you sir are made out of gold, Gm,s will gonna rush to you in-game and gives you a /hug for defending a multi billion $ company. pretty sure at the release of v2.0 they gonna reward you with a "metaphorical cookie".

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The guys frothing at the mouth right now about the plan to charge are one of three things:

1.) a troll who no longer plays this game and any changes do not impact them
2.) a liar who is enjoying the game but doesn't want to pay for it
3.) a pitiful masochist who enjoys being miserable playing a game they loathe for an entire year

Which one are you?

And by the way, it is SE who is telling you that you shouldn't be here. That is why when subs come, those who don't pay up will find they can no longer rant in the official forums. They didn't make that change for no reason.

This thread was such a horrible idea.

I agree with your opinion completely and that is why unfortunately when they begin billing I will be quitting the game, but that doesn't mean you should make a thread about it, ESPECIALLY not here. Most if not all the people here enjoy the game and are glad to supply the funds for the game to continue development even if it is way too early. If you actually wanted people to agree with you and not be shouting to a crowd that will not listen to a word you say, you should have gone somewhere else.

Also the fact that Yoshi-P stated that if you aren't pleased with 1.20 when it comes out, you still have time to cancel before billing is a big deal too. Yoshi-P and pretty much all of Square-Enix knows that they "owe" you for releasing this beta test of a game, each time they make an update there are a ton of apologies, because what else are they supposed to do, give you a refund? So instead they are pushing to improve the game and they even have come to the point where they literally have to make the game again from the ground up, and they've already lost a years worth of revenue from release, and a lot of bad rep. So the fact that Yoshi-P and Square Enix gave you a fair warning before billing and then said "Alright, if you aren't pleased, we're sorry, quit now" is a big deal and awesome on their part.

The people that aren't pleased with a half completed game will most likely quit, if people are having fun, then they won't quit and will begin to pay.

It's as simple as that, I'm sure you could have figured it out yourself without making this shitstorm of a thread.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

The guys frothing at the mouth right now about the plan to charge are one of three things:

1.) a troll who no longer plays this game and any changes do not impact them
2.) a liar who is enjoying the game but doesn't want to pay for it
3.) a pitiful masochist who enjoys being miserable playing a game they loathe for an entire year

Which one are you?

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calling names and making yourself a whiteknight doesnt mean your opinion is vaild. my point still stands because this is the general discussion forum. if you cant argue then why bother to post?

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Originally Posted by Wynn

And by the way, it is SE who is telling you that you shouldn't be here. That is why when subs come, those who don't pay up will find they can no longer rant in the official forums. They didn't make that change for no reason.

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did SE send me a letter saying i shouldnt be here? stop jumping on assumption's!. SE forums =/= a whiteknight haven. simple as that

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Originally Posted by Bearforce

did SE send me a letter saying i shouldnt be here? stop jumping on assumption's!. SE forums =/= a whiteknight haven. simple as that

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Keep telling yourself that right up until your log in no longer works. Unless you plan on subbing which would put you at option number 2, or possibly a mutated and more potent version of option 3.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

Keep telling yourself that right up until your log in no longer works. Unless you plan on subbing which would put you at option number 2, or possibly a mutated and more potent version of option 3.

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i will say it again:

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calling names and making yourself a whiteknight doesnt mean your opinion is vaild. my point still stands because this is the general discussion forum. if you cant argue then why bother to post?

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