But...I...I don't wanna DPS, I'm a healer...

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Originally Posted by Iris_BP

This is insane DPS for an AST at this ilvl on a boss fight. I just can't believe you can average 500 dps on for example Waukkeon, unless literally noone is taking damage and playing their best.

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Waukkeon is kind of a different beast altogether, the invul phase removes dots from the equation for a lot of the fight and people who don't avoid him during add phase make healing a giant pita. I usually pull about 300 on this as ast, 450 or so as sch. I was referencing bosses like fractal final boss/first boss, neverreap 2nd boss.

Fractal 2nd boss kinda sucks because I have to do tubes on groan/1000, and when I run with FC mates they eat the 100 ton swing to get more dps, when I do it with randoms they still pull crap dps and eat it. Still usually 300 or so as ast on this one.

Neverreap boss 1 it feels like I'm the only one ever going for feathers and 9 times out of 10 the group doesn't kill them all, I get this same feeling as tank when I'm running the bird around to the feathers and dps are still chasing it ignoring them. Since dpsing the feathers down fast=no dotting and finding the bird=no dotting this is also a lower dps fight and usually about 300 or so.

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Originally Posted by 416to305

Parsers are against game policy, they aren't allowed to be used. Many of us are on PS4 where you can't use them anyway, so regardless of what one says, it's not expected that you DPS or play a certain way based on it. If it was then they wouldn't be banned by SE and would be on PS4 as well. They aren't going to design a class to be played one way, which can only be maximized by using a tool that's only available to half the player base, as well as being against game rules. Doesn't make sense.

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I don't know about you but I would prefer using a parser that does all the work of adding up everything I did for me so I can work on my rotation on any given boss to maximize my dps potential over tearing the logs apart and placing them into a spreadsheet to manually calculate exactly when to use everything. You don't need a parser to determine the order to do things, it just makes your life about 1000 times easier to have one. Most people who care about improving their dps will either download a parser or if on ps3/4 ask someone that they know parses. Sadly people who care about doing well seem to be in the minority.

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Originally Posted by NamoNanamo

The dps against the boss wasn't high neither.

The first boss: The drg was only 857 dps and I was 754
The second boss is a bit more tricky cause it depend a lot If I open the door before he groan or not: 745 dps for the drg and 586 for me
And the last boss was awful cause they took some mine: 693 and 519 for me
The drg has no excuse. His dps was low. Anw, the Nin was worse and the tank was... special.

A good Drg can put a lot more dps without problem. Even Against Trash Mob. I, when I play drg, with less gear, put a lot higher dps and I'm just a random Drg.

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Yeah, that's pretty bad. Also the individual boss analysis is more useful to a player than the dungeon run, so good you made note of that.

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Originally Posted by Gorlioliolio

I don't know about you but I would prefer using a parser that does all the work of adding up everything I did for me so I can work on my rotation on any given boss to maximize my dps potential over tearing the logs apart and placing them into a spreadsheet to manually calculate exactly when to use everything. You don't need a parser to determine the order to do things, it just makes your life about 1000 times easier to have one. Most people who care about improving their dps will either download a parser or if on ps3/4 ask someone that they know parses. Sadly people who care about doing well seem to be in the minority.

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Sorry that wasn't my point! I absolutely agree a parser is the only way to really improve to some perfect level or whatever if they want to be the absolute best. What my point was is that it's not necessary to use one at all to be a good healer. So if someone is asking for advice on here, I don't think posting statistics helps all that much. My point is that the game isn't designed around people using parsers to improve, it's the total opposite. So just trying to say for any new player that you don't ever have to worry about being THAT extreme to play. I've done all content except savage (only because I have a life and am not going to commit to a weekly schedule to play video games), and I've had no problems and never used a parser once. Just talking about a parser in game can get you banned.

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Originally Posted by 416to305

Sorry that wasn't my point! I absolutely agree a parser is the only way to really improve to some perfect level or whatever if they want to be the absolute best. What my point was is that it's not necessary to use one at all to be a good healer. So if someone is asking for advice on here, I don't think posting statistics helps all that much. My point is that the game isn't designed around people using parsers to improve, it's the total opposite. So just trying to say for any new player that you don't ever have to worry about being THAT extreme to play. I've done all content except savage (only because I have a life and am not going to commit to a weekly schedule to play video games), and I've had no problems and never used a parser once. Just talking about a parser in game can get you banned.

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Parsers can actually help show you what damage people are taking, and your over-heal as well, so they do have some use for healers. And was that "I have a life so I don't do Savage" comment really necessary?

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Originally Posted by Mayvee

Parsers can actually help show you what damage people are taking, and your over-heal as well, so they do have some use for healers. And was that "I have a life so I don't do Savage" comment really necessary?

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You're still not reading what I'm saying. I didn't say they aren't useful, I said they aren't REQUIRED for anything. Someone reading this thread that's new would be under the impression that they have to be hardcore with parsers to play the game well which just isn't true. And not sure I follow you, I have a life and am busy and rarely home only playing in bed before sleep, hence I don't do savage. Everyone has their reasons for doing it or not doing it, but just because you don't like mine doesn't mean I'm going to make up a reason.

So are you saying that people that do Savage and have a raid team don't have lives? Cos it sure sounds like that is what you are saying...

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Originally Posted by 416to305

I've done all content except savage (only because I have a life and am not going to commit to a weekly schedule to play video games

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You know that you only need just 4 hour/weeks to do a1/a2s ? Less if your party is good. So it's like running the expert dungeon every day.

Parser is useful (not mandatory). Like someone said before, when you play Astr, you want to give the best card to the best dps. I want also to improve my DPS even If I'm a healer.
I want to know who's sleeping and who deserve my heal first.

You know there are statics that just run even two days a week for progression, that isn't a lot of time always needed to commit. You make it sound like the commitment is everyday or something. If you are aiming for world-firsts, surely. But most are mid-to-hardcore that run a few days or more a week.

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Originally Posted by NamoNanamo

Parser is useful (not mandatory). Like someone said before, when you play Astr, you want to give the best card to the best dps. I want also to improve my DPS even If I'm a healer.
I want to know who's sleeping and who deserve my heal first.

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Yep, it's good to see what else is going on aside from buffs someone has up to distribute cards. Not to mention it's a normal raid utility, and if the poster has experienced the static raid life they would probably have a different view on the subject.

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Originally Posted by koroko220

I'm this game inside dungeons and raids healers are not REQUIRED or EXPECTED to dps outside the most recent raid instances. Healers only dps in progression raids or if they are comfortable enough to dps. By the time you get to this content you may also feel more comfortable to dps as well. The Healers that dps are the ones who know their class well and how to balance healing and dpsing. Since you are on trial you haven't even hit the tip of the iceberg yet :) keep on truckin and see how things turn out.

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I'm sorry, but that's really bad advice. I wouldn't say healers are "required" to DPS, but this game's content is not centered around you healing full time, ESPECIALLY Scholar. I've seen healers that throw a Cure/Physic/Benefic every time a tank falls below 100% HP and it's one of the biggest ways to seem like you're working hard but accomplishing very little. Sure, you'll get those tanks every once in a while who insist that they're DPS and don't pop a single cooldown and you'll end up on babysitting them, but this isn't usually the norm.

Again, it's not that you're required to DPS, but when you're just standing there, doing absolutely nothing, why wouldn't you want to contribute to the group? This falls into the whole "doing the bare minimum" argument. Suppose you roll as a SCH and you get Toto-rak or anything below it for your leveling roulette. I'm not even joking when I say that you can take out Eos, auto-follow your tank, and complete the dungeon, but do you honestly think that makes you a contributor to your team? As someone brought up earlier in this topic. You can be a tank, Overpower spam, Flash, or Unleash/Abyssal Drain in an AoE pull, then go AFK. You CAN do that, but it's just lazy, and same goes for healers.

My advice would be to start getting used to DPSing as soon as you feel comfortable healing. Low level dungeons require VERY little healing, and give you a lot of time to DPS as a healer. The earlier you start getting comfortable with cleric dancing, the easier it will be in the long run. The longer you hold out on it, the harder it will be to get used to. You'll have a much easier time learning how to cleric dance in anything from 1-39, rather than starting at Stone Vigil, or Aurumn Vale. Healing is not so much about knowing when to heal as to knowing when not to heall.

OP, the game has 3 healing jobs. Out of all of them, SCH is the most DPS-intensive, has the more complex DPS toolkit out of the other 2 healers, and has a Fairy that will help you heal. If you don't prefer to DPS, you might not like SCH. Astros are a cool mix of healing/support, and if you enjoy being busy all the time, I think you'll enjoy that job. WHM is the current king of burst heals, and their DPS capabilities fall between SCH and Astro, Astro being last.

You're by no means required to DPS, but it's a nice thing you can do to help out a run go faster (you'd be surprised at how faster a run will go when your healer DPS'es), or just for the sake of doing something when you have no heals to throw it (because overhealing is a bad thing and you shouldn't get used to it). Also, it's a good idea to keep in mind that DPS can be its own sort of mitigation, because you're killing things faster.

As a sidenote, tanks, especially WAR's and DRK's, have self-sustaining abilities themselves. Unless your tank is very squishy, or you're doing a fight that involves a tank buster, it's a good idea to start healing a tank roughly at 50-60% HP instead of every time they fall below 100%. The reason for this is that they can recover the HP you're trying to heal by themselves. For example, at a level 60 expert roulette, if I roll as a DRK or a WAR, for boss battles, the only healing I will need will come from your Eos. Any healing done by you will be completely unnecessary, because Eos/Selene and Souleater, or Inner Beast, Bloodbath+IR+Berserk, Storm's Path, Equillibrium, and Thrill of Battle are more than enough to keep me alive.

That's the biggest version of "yea DPS please" I've ever read.

33 pages of repeating the same thing. We get it.