Desynthesis Endgame Guide

If you do not gain experience, you do not lose experience. If your skill is maxed at 100.00 in the class you are currently using, you will never lose experience in another craft when desynthing. I'll put that in the OP. Even if you could gain experience, if you didn't gain any, you can't lose any.

HOWEVER, there is one exception to this: desynthing while over the 300 point limit. If you're at 300.12 and you desynth anything, even if it gives no experience, you will lose 0.12 in a random craft that you have at least 1.01 in (unless every single desynth class you have points in is "locked" but playing with that is really irritating if you desynth hundreds of items daily like I do). If that random craft hits 1.00, it won't go below 1.00, and if you're still over the limit, your next desynth will trigger this again and so on.

hi Nyalia. just wanted to say thanks for much for this guide and the continued updating.

just wanted to follow-up on one thing - in one of your last messages you mentioned a rotation for NQ > HQ for the artisan turn-in's and left me intrigued! did you post it yet? (if so, i must be blind and i'll go back and look again). interested to see what stats you're working with and what you came up with.

Whoops, no, I didn't. This macro is designed for people who are near 4* capability who do not want to pay attention to the craft. It requires at least 428 craft and works best with over 400 control. It takes 394 CP and thus requires HQ Bouillabaisse.

This is not a 100% macro. I have, however, had very good luck with it. If all HTs succeed, you hit 100%. If one fails, you still hit 100%. If two fail, you hit around 96%. With three fails, you hit around 77%. Four fails will put you down near 29%. Though, if your final BB falls on a Good, you get much higher than that and chances are about 25% of that happening, further increasing your chances. On average, two should fail.

----Macro 1----
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.2>
/ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Waste Not II" <wait.2>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.2>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>

----Macro 2----
/ac "Manipulation" <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand" <wait.2>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity II" <wait.2>
/ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Standard Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>

If you try this, let me know how it works out for you?

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

If you do not gain experience, you do not lose experience. If your skill is maxed at 100.00 in the class you are currently using, you will never lose experience in another craft when desynthing. I'll put that in the OP. Even if you could gain experience, if you didn't gain any, you can't lose any.

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Awesome, thanks Nyalia. :)

So even if I desynth, say, Allagan equipment (only 70% at Level 100) and it fails or succeeds, no other Crafting Desynth will be affected right? (Just double-checking.)

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Originally Posted by Kiara

So even if I desynth, say, Allagan equipment (only 70% at Level 100) and it fails or succeeds, no other Crafting Desynth will be affected right? (Just double-checking.)

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Correct.

(Of course, that's assuming your combined desynth skill is at or below the 300.00 cap. See the exception explained above and in the OP for details.)

Awesome! Thanks Nya.

so... it is possible to get 3 proficiencies to 100? i mean if you level ONLY 3 crafting classes to Lv30+. and then got those 3 to 100 desynthesis before leveling any others... it should be possible to maintain all 3 at 100? so long as you don't desynthesize anything with another crafting class. just spit-balling here.

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so... it is possible to get 3 proficiencies to 100? i mean if you level ONLY 3 crafting classes to Lv30+. and then got those 3 to 100 desynthesis before leveling any others... it should be possible to maintain all 3 at 100? so long as you don't desynthesize anything with another crafting class. just spit-balling here.

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Theoretically, yes, but I feel rather strongly that it's not worth it. Leaving five crafting classes at 15 pretty much completely deprives you of endgame crafting for all classes since you need the cross-class skills to do much of anything at endgame. If you're not doing endgame crafting, then sure, but the tradeoff is very minimal. So, only to people who have literally zero interest in ever crafting should do this. But, if you're not interested in ever crafting, why are you interested in desynth? I guess to make money, but you'd make so much more with a combination of crafting and desynth...

hello i currently have my blacksmith desynthesis at 75.00 and i was thinking i am going to feed it summoning bells, i can just craft NQ summoning bells right there aren't any HQ lol or what

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Originally Posted by himym

hello i currently have my blacksmith desynthesis at 75.00 and i was thinking i am going to feed it summoning bells, i can just craft NQ summoning bells right there aren't any HQ lol or what

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You never need to HQ items that you're crafting for desynth (It just makes overmelding easier, but not significantly if you're just doing one overmeld). Note that at 75.00 skill, summoning bells will have only a 22.5% chance of success. So will Perfect Pestles. However, there are no easiliy accessible i70 items. Before using Summoning Bells, compare the price of Summoning Bells (ferberite + scheelite + petrified log + scarlet sap) vs NQ Perfect Pestles (cypress log x2 + aged pestle pieces + pieste leather) (either made youself with all NQ mats or bought from the MB because NQ ones have no other use). You can even try to HQ them from all NQ mats, and if you succeed, sell the HQ version and if you don't, desynth the NQ version.


Other options for you include:
- Continuing to use i55 items until dSkill 80 (price ceiling is 3,000 for an i55 item since you can use Aged Pestles from the Silver Bazaar vendor if no cheaper options exist).
- Making Artisan turnins (perferably Artisan's Chocobotail Saw) and desynthing them (those are i70, so you'll have a 60% chance at dSkill 75.00 and can get Mastercraft Demimateria from them. But, this is time consuming and each attempt costs about 40,000 gil).
- Doing HM primals and desynthing Ifrit/Garuda/Moogle weapons (see OP for best classes). Those are i60, i70, and i75 respectively. Remember that there are no Titan weapons that are desynthable by BSM. Ifrit will have a 77.5% chance of successful desynth, Garuda will have a 60%, and Moogle will have a 50%.
- NQ Darksteel Ingots are probably tanking in price due to the changes to Artisan trade-ins. Check out their prices, and see if the i70 crafted items are cheap to make now.

Summary:

• i55 will net you ~0.04 experience (Aged Pestle - cost: 3k, can yield FC2s and aged pestle pieces)
• i60 will net you ~0.10 experience (Ifrit HM weapon - cost: Ifrit, can yield BC2s and Inferno Demimateria)
• i70 will net you ~0.27 experience (Artisan's Chocobotail Saw - cost: 40k + time, can yield MCDs and FC3s) -OR- (Garuda HM weapon - cost: Garuda, can yield BC3s and Vortex Demimateria) -OR- (Misericorde Blades - cost: Darksteel Ingot + Rose Gold Nugget, can yield FC3s)
• i75 will net you ~0.35 experience (Moggle HM weapon - cost: Moggle Mog, can yield BC3s and Demimog Demimateria)
• i90 will net you ~0.70 experience (Summoning Bell - cost: ~20-30k based on server prices, can yield FC3s) -OR- (Perfect Pestle - cost: ~20-30k based on server prices, can yield FC3s)

ok..I have decided to continue with the Aged pestle it looks like 125 x .04 will get me around to 80? and then from 80 i should start doing summoning bells right?\

thank you so much Nyalia for the help appreciate it so much and ur guide lol ur da best~

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Originally Posted by himym

ok..I have decided to continue with the Aged pestle it looks like 125 x .04 will get me around to 80? and then from 80 i should start doing summoning bells right?\

thank you so much Nyalia for the help appreciate it so much and ur guide lol ur da best~

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Well, for the Aged Pestle, at 75 skill, it'll be ~0.04. At 76, it'll be ~0.03. At 77, ~0.03. At 78, ~0.02. At 79, ~0.015. At 80, ~0.01. At 81, ~0.0075. And so on, down to ~0.001 at 84. At 85, you should not get experience anymore. So, 25 + 33 + 33 + 50 + 67 = ~208 to get you to 80.

Of course, these are just guesses and extrapolation from known data, so please, please let me know if the numbers are off so I can update my chart.

And you're welcome - I'm a math geek who rarely gets to usefully geek out about pedantic mathy stuff :P

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

Theoretically, yes, but I feel rather strongly that it's not worth it. Leaving five crafting classes at 15 pretty much completely deprives you of endgame crafting for all classes since you need the cross-class skills to do much of anything at endgame. If you're not doing endgame crafting, then sure, but the tradeoff is very minimal. So, only to people who have literally zero interest in ever crafting should do this. But, if you're not interested in ever crafting, why are you interested in desynth? I guess to make money, but you'd make so much more with a combination of crafting and desynth...

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thank you very much.

When desynth was released and the max of 300.00 came out, a lot of people complained that it should have been at least 305 because with 300, you can only max two classes. At the time, I thought all the complaining was really silly since you could still have two classes at 100 and one at 95, so what's the big deal? 95 isn't that much different from 100, right?

I've since changed my opinion. 95 is VERY different from 100. It's a difference of 10% or 7.5% desynth chance, which is very meaningful for endgame desynth. Not to mention, you can't keep two classes at 100 easily if you are using three desynth classes and are maxed. The system becomes a huge mess if you're trying to not lose either 100 while still using your class that's at 95. If you succeed in a high level desynth at 95, you will gain exp. If your other two classes are not locked, they will lose that much exp, and now you'll be at 100/99/95. The next desynth you do at 99 or 95 has a good chance of hitting your remaining 100, leaving you at 99/99/95, and so on. It's very annoying.

You can get around it somewhat by using a desynth rotation to "lock" the two 100 classes in place. The problem is that you will still gain experience with the third class, putting it above 95 and your total above 300.00. So, the next time you desynth anything at all out of the rotation, you'll still lose the points in a random craft which could be one of the 100s and not the 95. Basically, this leads to you having to do awkward things to finagle your 100s to stay as 100s. It's annoying and totally unnecessary.

They can fix this in two ways - allow us to "lock" a desynth class so we cannot lose OR GAIN experience in that class, or just up the cap to 305. What's the big deal with 305 anyway? It makes everything so much cleaner.

/desynthrant

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

They can fix this in two ways - allow us to "lock" a desynth class so we cannot lose OR GAIN experience in that class, or just up the cap to 305. What's the big deal with 305 anyway? It makes everything so much cleaner.

/desynthrant

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hehe. while i am not even a crafting player, i thought it was dumb the way it was set up from the very start. just simply because you could not max out 3 proficiencies to 100, despite having 300 points to work with. and while i still think it is dumb. and think they should make it so you have to like unlock each proficiency. (your ideas are good too) a fail rate really is not so terrible. it makes certain things more challenging. and also makes certain items more valuable.

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lol I've been saying that since it was first discovered that you can't (effectively) have 3 classes at 100. Hopefully they learn from their mistake in the next desynth update (2.5?) and either allow skill locking or update the new skill cap to 404 ((100 x 4) + (1 x 4)) instead of 400.

Cross your fingers!

Sure, a fail rate is fine, but I'm not talking just about the i70 desynths (100% at 100, 92.5% at 95). It's also a huge deal with the i95 Allagan Weapon desynths (BSM is my low class right now, and at 95, the chance of desynthing an i95 item is 50%. Much worse than the 60% at 100). When we are allowed to desynth i100 items, it'll get even worse - 40% instead of 50%. And so on. 10% makes a huge difference at the extremes, not to mention that 92.5% fails quite often, irritatingly, when 100% never fails.

What I expect to happen is that they will eventually raise the cap to 400 (with 3.0), but when they do, they raise each individual skill's cap to 150. So, you can still only max two skills. I don't expect the raising of the cap to be helpful for people who want to have more than two classes at max. I'm also guessing this is why they don't really care about 300 being really awkward - it's just how things work out with the current values, but it'll be totally different when they raise the skill caps.

Just for the info:

"dSkill 1-10: Weathered Shortsword (r1) [90% - 100%] (buy for 63 gil in Limsa Lominsa)"

You can buy it in Uldah, not Limsa.

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Just for the info:

"dSkill 1-10: Weathered Shortsword (r1) [90% - 100%] (buy for 63 gil in Limsa Lominsa)"

You can buy it in Uldah, not Limsa.

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Whoops! You're right, that was a typo. I somehow got GLA and MRD confused (you can only buy level 1 main hands in the city where the class's guild lives). Thanks!

EDIT: Actually, it turns out that the level 1 ROG weapon is also 63 gil (cheapest price of all the BSM desynthable level 1 weapons), and you can buy that one in Limsa. I put both in the guide. I also updated the BSM guide with a better option at rlvl 16 - Brass Knives.

hey i just recently got my blacksmith desynthesis to 100 so i have a concern question i'm not really too sure about how u de-level desynthesis but i want to pervent that from happening to me blacksmith is my only 100 desynthesis if i keep desynthesisizing stuff in this category only it wont randomly go down rihgt? i am planning on just desynthesising the artisan CRP weapons so lol and how would it work when i want to level another class like GSM? can i just straight desynthesis level GSM or do i have to like desynthesis as GSM and then BSM so like GSM > BSM > GSM > BSM > GSM > BSM to keep the 100 thnx for the reply !!! sorry for mis-spelled words or grammer errors im in a rush to craft 200 lumbers and like 400 horned glues q-q

While BSM is at 100, desynthing anything with BSM will not lower anything else (you cannot lose skill if you do not gain skill). However, if you just straight-level GSM, you will randomly lose small amounts of BSM skill. To prevent this, you should do the following: BSM > GSM > GSM > GSM > BSM > GSM > GSM > GSM >BSM > (and so on). You can desynth anything with BSM, even level 1 weathered shortswords/daggers (which are the cheapest BSM desynthable items in the game).

Because I'm really lazy, I didn't do this when I leveled my second class. I just leveled it up ignoring the other class, and then when I was done, desynthed like one i90 item and got back all the exp I lost. You really don't lose much, just 0.01 every several desynths.

can u get up to 3 master D. from artisan needle desynthesis using GSM?. so u get the artisan weaver mainhand and then desynthesis with GSM can u get up to 3 master D?

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can u get up to 3 master D. from artisan needle desynthesis using GSM?. so u get the artisan weaver mainhand and then desynthesis with GSM can u get up to 3 master D?

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Yes you can. I currently do this with the below method for a very large profit.

Desynth bridesmad pants (weaver desynth skill at 100). I tend to desynth 100 at a time and get the following:

50-75 twinthread: Sell any extra on MB for 3k~ each
25-35 HQ Twin: Use 1+1 NQ for faster brocade rotation
20-30 FC3: Sell for 40-50k on MB
1-5 HQ Vanya Silk: Sell for 80-100k
5-10 Vanya Silk: Sell for 40-50k

I do the above 3 times a day to make 9 tools.

Selling the vanya and FC3 on my server nets me a profit while also giving me the mats for silver brocades. I usually make 3 weaver tools at a time and make about 9 total each day. I always get at least 2 MCD from those 9 tools. I have not kept track exactly on the results, but I have gotten 15 MCD from 9 tools on a couple days. IT is very easy and profitable even with MCD now selling for 340k~ on Coeurl.

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can u get up to 3 master D. from artisan needle desynthesis using GSM?. so u get the artisan weaver mainhand and then desynthesis with GSM can u get up to 3 master D?

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Yes, but the rate is low. I've desynthed several forager's/artisan tools and received 1 MCD once, and 2 MCD once, every other time has been different materials.

From what I've seen and mathed, the rate should be something around ~15-20% to get 1-3 MCDs, and on average you'll get 2 MCDs. So, expected value is ~0.3-0.4 MCDs per tool desynth. For reference, the person who said that he was getting 2+ MCDs per 9 tools, the expected number from my maths says ~2.7-3.6 for that many desynths. So, that guestimate of ~15-20% is definitely in the right ballpark.

past few days i desynthesize 50 artisan carpenter weapons and i only got 25 MCDs Q_Q anyone else having bad luck on desynthesis lately? i used to get 25 from 25 weapons alone....

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past few days i desynthesize 50 artisan carpenter weapons and i only got 25 MCDs Q_Q anyone else having bad luck on desynthesis lately? i used to get 25 from 25 weapons alone....

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Uhh, that sounds really good to me? Higher than what I've ever seen... I get ~2 MCDs ~20% of the time, which is more like 20 MCDs from 50 tools. And that's average based on the reports of others - with my shitty luck, I usually get more like 10 MCDs per 50 tools... You shouldn't complain about your awesome luck dropping to only really good luck :P

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What were the results?

Hi Nyalia and All,

SO happy about the updates for Patch 2.5. Looks like we *won't* lose Desynthesis Levels / Points when we Desynth other classes, unless we're at Maximum! Excellent. :D

And they raised the Maximum Desynth Level. :)

But I wonder why it's such an odd number (350)? 110 + 110 + 110 = 330. I guess they're letting players experiment on a 4th crafting class (but only 20 points? Why?).

It would've been nice to open it up to 440 + 1 point in each of the non-used classes instead. Patch Notes:

• The level cap for desynthesis has been increased.
• The level cap for each class has been increased from 100 to 110.110
• The cumulative skill point maximum has been increased from 300 to 350.350

Skill levels will no longer decrease if your combined skill level is not at the maximum.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...1f30e41d038115

Great guide. I have WVR and ALC leveled, and decided to delevel GSM in order to level BSM.

I wanted to suggest that you replace Mythril File in your guide with Mythril Head knife (you even mention that there is probably a better option). There are two main reasons: first, boar leather on my server is more expensive than oak lumber (which may be purchased from the ixali vendor), but more than that, I am getting FC I demi, which currently sell for 8-10k on my server.

Thanks!

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Hi Kiara,

To answer your question... Unfortunately the change you recommended would have adverse effects because 440 (4 classes at 110 cap) + 4 (remaining 4 classes at base 1) would equal 444 and also mean you would be at the maximum points, therefore you can and will lose skill in a random class each time you desynth. None of us want this, so having 330 (3 classes at 110 cap) + 5 (remaining 5 classes at base 1) would equal 335 and also mean we have 15 points spare. I don't think those 15 points are for "experimenting", I'm pretty sure they did that so that we could pick 3 classes and safely have those at maximum with no risk to losing skill (provided you never put those spare 15 points into a 4th class).

Make sense?

Seems to me like SE really wants us to only pick 3 desynth classes, not 4. If they wanted us to have 4 at max they would probably have set the point cap at 450 instead of 350.

Allagan Catalyst x2 from Air Knives (i90) Primal Focus weapon. I guess that quest has become relevant once again.

Just some basic info:
Tinker's Calm HQ gives Careful Desynthesis +4 and lasts 10min. It does stack with Bacon Broth.

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Just some basic info:
Tinker's Calm HQ gives Careful Desynthesis +4 and lasts 10min. It does stack with Bacon Broth.

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Thanks! I wonder how long it'll be before we see equipment with Careful Desynth...

So is there a reason that you can't desynth any of the new artisan gear? I bought the gown thinking you could desynth them like the glasses but there's no option. Had someone buy the CRP shoes too and same thing.

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So is there a reason that you can't desynth any of the new artisan gear? I bought the gown thinking you could desynth them like the glasses but there's no option. Had someone buy the CRP shoes too and same thing.

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Yeah :( that really sucks. I ended up getting the hands only to find out they are not desynthable

Anyone know if bridesmaid's sandals and best man's gaiters are still the best for FC3's or am I just having incredibly bad (and expensive) luck?

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Anyone know if bridesmaid's sandals and best man's gaiters are still the best for FC3's or am I just having incredibly bad (and expensive) luck?

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I have also had a terrible time getting FC IIIs from wedding gear lately. Would love to know where people are getting them now.

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Anyone know if bridesmaid's sandals and best man's gaiters are still the best for FC3's or am I just having incredibly bad (and expensive) luck?

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Rng is Rng, did 100 yesterday and got 30 fc3's