HOUSING NEEDS TO CHANGE

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Originally Posted by ShadowyZero

this kinda sounds a little fatalistic sorry but i will disagree with you on this particular point, things change because people push for changes they are pessimistic, they are unrealistic, unhinged, crazy, or visionary people label them names or downplay their conspiracies or theories but some do listen to them an do follow not far behind. if we want to talk realistic then yes change doesn't happen over night it takes months or even years of planning but when it does land it reaches those who supported it. to those that didn't support yes they may be bitter about it for a while but they do come around and overtime accept it and move on with their lives (at least most do.) an better still there are those who will not be affected by the change at all an will just be happy that someone else has found a reason to be happy.
and thats why i say that both side can be happy for eachother that everyone has a house whatever shape of form that takes that only the introduction of new housing or a drastic overhaul to the current would bring about.
you may disagree still on that but you've been respectful toward the points of those frustrated by limitations or inconveniences that SE has yet to address so i will extend that kindness still to you.
we may not reach a middle but i can respect that you're at least coming from a more civil point of view on this an not trying to dunk or trash on anyone's wishes or be disingenuous or discourteous about the problems people do have. so thank you for that.

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I appreciate the civility, and I agree that advocacy can lead to change over time. My point isn’t that change shouldn’t happen, it absolutely should.

What I’m emphasizing is realism: in a system with finite plots, social visibility, and years of accumulated player investment, no overhaul or addition will make everyone happy. Some players will inevitably be frustrated by choices, timing, or trade-offs. Changes like these are ultimately what made me quit another game, from personal experience. We can’t simply say that people will eventually be happy, because the truth of the matter is, they never will be and guess what? That’s okay. Acknowledging that reality doesn’t mean being pessimistic; it means planning solutions that balance fairness, feasibility, and player experience. Especially in a game that is already struggling (currently).

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Originally Posted by ShadowyZero

jealous eh? didn't think you were the type sweetums~

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There it is. If a point becomes an inconvenient truth, don't address it at all, move attention away from what you cant reconcile or address. Re-iterate your point, and start from there again.

Im watching you dance around Nyastra. Im aware of what you're doing. But I'm enjoying it. If you fundamentally disagree with my perspective . You are either going to stop broaching this subject soon if they keep prying into it to keep your perceived allies, or you will turn on them for not conforming to your PoV

My money is on the former.

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Originally Posted by Solowing

There it is. If a point becomes an inconvenient truth, don't address it at all, move attention away from what you cant reconcile or address. Re-iterate your point, and start from there again.

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well now your just projecting :P but my nap is due , should we meet here again same time tomorrow? you promise? i'll hold you to it~

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Originally Posted by ShadowyZero

well now your just projecting :P but my nap is due , should we meet here again same time tomorrow? you promise? i'll hold you to it~

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Enjoy your sweet dreams of being a martyr lol

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Originally Posted by Solowing

Enjoy your sweet dreams of being a martyr lol

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i did enjoy my sleep thnx ~ but anyways looks like people have found more grounded solutions and compromises they don't need me here any further <3 but if you want to keep yapping with me feel free too ;3

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Originally Posted by Solowing

There it is. If a point becomes an inconvenient truth, don't address it at all, move attention away from what you cant reconcile or address. Re-iterate your point, and start from there again.

Im watching you dance around Nyastra. Im aware of what you're doing.

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Originally Posted by Nyastra

The disconnect here is between “this sounds feasible to me as a player” and “this is fair, scalable, and sustainable for the game as a whole.” Those are not the same thing.

Simply asserting that a proposal is feasible doesn’t make it fair or consequence-free. Players aren’t responsible for maintaining parity between millions of users, preserving years of legacy investment, or balancing technical debt with long-term support. Square Enix is. That distinction matters.

Acknowledging constraints isn’t defending stagnation. It’s recognizing that housing touches gil sinks, retention, RP communities, FC structures, and long-term ownership. If a proposal can’t clearly explain who benefits, who loses, and why that trade-off is acceptable, then it isn’t a finished solution, it’s a wishlist.

Criticizing SE for slow or incremental change is fair. Claiming there’s a zero-cost, zero-conflict fix they’re simply choosing not to implement is not.

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Originally Posted by ShadowyZero

i did enjoy my sleep thnx ~ but anyways looks like people have found more grounded solutions and compromises they don't need me here any further <3 but if you want to keep yapping with me feel free too ;3

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Right on schedule. This is the part where you stop addressing them to not make enemies. So we're in phase two, dismissal. You've tried to be nice and it's not getting you anywhere because their point of view hasn't shifted. So now you're just trying to ignore their response. . And if they keep pushing, the way you respond to them is going to change drastically.

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Originally Posted by Solowing

Right on schedule. This is the part where you stop addressing them to not make enemies.

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oh good you're here! see i was wondering if you were going to just bow out of this thread an go to another one lol or if you'd just come back to keep yapping along xD and why should i be enemies with someone who hasn't caused me to have an ire with them? hating for the sake of it doesn't really add up now does it? and i told Nyastra already i don't agree with their fatalistic sounding tone of "Costs vs Benefits" but other than that they've been slightly more sympathetic to the opposite side of the argument which is how respectful debates happen, both sides shake hands agree on at least one thing, they agree to disagree on the rest and don't diminish eachother further. and the one thing that Nyastra and i were able to settle on is that there does need to be further changes and implementations to at the very least curb some of the problems people have without it completely snubbing out the old system entirely.

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Originally Posted by ShadowyZero

oh good you're here! see i was wondering if you were going to just bow out of this thread an go to another one lol or if you'd just come back to keep yapping along xD and why should i be enemies with someone who hasn't caused me to have an ire with them? hating for the sake of it doesn't really add up now does it? and i told Nyastra already i don't agree with their fatalistic sounding tone of "Costs vs Benefits" but other than that they've been slightly more sympathetic to the opposite side of the argument which is how respectful debates happen, both sides shake hands agree on at least one thing, they agree to disagree on the rest and don't diminish eachother further. and the one thing that Nyastra and i were able to settle on is that there does need to be further changes and implementations to at the very least curb some of the problems people have without it completely snubbing out the old system entirely.

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Well , for a start , would you like me to go to your thread with your 3 replies and pretty give you the exact same reasoning? I'm trying to be very respectful of the echo chamber your are trying to create. Because this isn't the first time you've done this when you get mad at something I say , you run creating a new thread to complain, it gets no traction, nobody responds , then you run back to the thread with more traction , and then start up there.

At this point , the threads kind of derailed , it's just pointing out your hypocrisy, double standard, and inability to see anyone's perspective outside of the one you want.

I can give you solutions to get a plot. But your solution doesn't give me what I want.It just punishes me for having it prior to instanced housing or takes it away entirely.

Your response is "who cares its a video game"

While you complain about a video game virtual house...

It's crazy you can't even see your own hypocrisy. Lol must be all that self righteousness blocking your view

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Originally Posted by Solowing

Well , for a start , would you like me to go to your thread with your 3 replies and pretty give you the exact same reasoning? I'm trying to be very respectful of the echo chamber your are trying to create. Because this isn't the first time you've done this when you get mad at something I say , you run creating a new thread to complain, it gets no traction, nobody responds , then you run back to the thread with more traction , and then start up there.

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i come to threads like these because i agree with the frustrations people have with this game's poorly designed and implemented housing feature. not because of a popularity contest. and i make other threads because i am adding too the spreading of awareness and push for changes.
you and i have disdain and discomfort towards eachother for reasons i've pointed out many times already but you insist that you're not part of the aggression other posters have even pointed out how much they disliked some of your takes an even asked you to stop or go away. did you listen to them then? the answers is no you did not you continued to push your agenda an felt validated when others of the same mindset as yours came in too continue to downplay and discredit those other posters.
so its a bit too late now for you to be crying wolf now isn't it? :^)
and now that i've continuously given you back a taste of your own medicine all of a sudden you are the victim here, and i'm just the big bad troll on the internet making this place worser for everyone else because i won't conform to how you feel or think.
you are more then welcome to join my other threads if you'd like i'm not the forum police or thought police nor am i crying here for you to not make a comment or reply.

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Originally Posted by Solowing

Imagine being on a public forum and then trying to police what suggestions can be made and who can post.

That's called "Controlling a narrative"

If you have to make up a term to win your argument because using it correctly would disprove your own complaint. You've already lost. Housing is housing. You and whoever can disagree, disagree with facts all you want. But it doesn't care how you feel. You're just arguing with your emotions.

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still mad huh? lol mad that a bigger group won't see your perspective eh? you know if you really wanted to hype up the current system you love so much why don't you ever make a thread of your own to explain and show why you like it so much? you obviously have those that will agree with you.
but explain to me why you come to these threads to bother people not happy with it? thats something you've yet to tell me or anyone for that matter you leave us in the dark to speculate an make assumptions.
are you just lonely Roll? is that what it is? most threads i see on this forum relating to housing are complaints or requests for more things but rarely do we ever see someone post "housing appreciation thread" or "i love this game's housing"
why is that? you make alot of claims but these supposed facts you try to claim don't align with the player sentiment here clearly and plainly. and even if you go to outside this little bubble of SE's control and purview you'll see that its the same thing as here people are not actively promoting or praising this system they are complaining about it, wishing it was better, making a joke of it, and thats because its such a chore to even obtain it let alone keep it. its only gotten worser over time.
ignoring the clear signs that there in fact issues with this system is just you closing your eyes an pretending they don't exist, its delusional.
your refusal to acknowledge said issues means your are culpable in perpetrating it that you support those issues cause they don't directly effect you.
and thats what it keeps circling back to is YOU which is a selfish mindset its ignorant.