M6s in PF is the most miserable and unfun high end fight in the game

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Agreed. SE should keep it up and then players will start to learn how to play and become better, then mechanics like this won't be such a surprise to them - like they weren't in Heavensward.

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I mean... I dunno, but even in the past two tiers, a lot of people struggled with some mechanics. I had to spend like 5 days with 12-14 hrs of pugs in PF last tier to finish M4s because people cannot count to 3 for some stupid reason.

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Originally Posted by Arohk

congratulations, i have only managed to get through the add phase ONCE, usually wipe to enrage squirrels or enrage boss because people just dont kill them fast enough.
I guess i have to wait for week 7 when people got the Tome Weapons to do more damage, i am close to throwing the towel.

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Twittania is an EU server right? If there was some kind of transfer I would offer to help...

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Originally Posted by Volgia

Twittania is an EU server right? If there was some kind of transfer I would offer to help...

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I had a pretty decent party today, dps was really good and everything died quickly. But the offtank kept dieing to the two yans... it is just impossible man

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Originally Posted by Arohk

I had a pretty decent party today, dps was really good and everything died quickly. But the offtank kept dieing to the two yans... it is just impossible man

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That's a mismanagement of cool downs. I did it as a healer, so I'd focus completely on healing on PF. It's too chaotic to tell. One thing that helped me clear was when I asked my cohealer and BLM to put a dot on the third wave yan. By the time we were cleaving the final Manta Ray it was almost dead and the OT didn't take that much damage.

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Originally Posted by Arohk

I had a pretty decent party today, dps was really good and everything died quickly. But the offtank kept dieing to the two yans... it is just impossible man

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Tends to occur when the Healers are thinking that they can deal with the phase without using damage-losing Healing actions (eg GCDs on any non WHM healer, Cure2s and Regens as WHM). In that phase, I was maintaining Regen on both tanks as WHM pretty heavily in that phase, the log says across the whole fight I used 14 Regens total, 10 of which were split 5/5 between the two Tanks (presumably for the add phase). As SCH last night (on an alt), I was using a lot of Adloquium casts, too.

SE should add a phase in a boss fight where there's a buff/debuff combo status: Healing Actions reduced by 99%, Healing Spells increased by 10000%. So, GCDs work fine (the two effects cancel each other out), OGCDs don't work at all. Then maybe people will press their damn buttons

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Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe

SE should add a phase in a boss fight where there's a buff/debuff combo status: Healing Actions reduced by 99%, Healing Spells increased by 10000%. So, GCDs work fine (the two effects cancel each other out), OGCDs don't work at all. Then maybe people will press their damn buttons

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The unfortunate consequence of them designing fights for 6 years now that can be solved exclusively with oGCDs, most people who still remember frequent GCD healing in savage probably don't even play the game anymore.

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Originally Posted by Arohk

that wont change the problem that the game targets in a circle instead of by distance.

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Don't know what your setup is, but Cone actually targets enemies in a cone in front of me.

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Originally Posted by ASkellington

Been on "Cone" for years at this point. Game does not target the enemy closest to you period.

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Wrong button. Don't use Tab for that, bind a key to Target Nearest Enemy (unbound by default).

I think it’s just a knowledge check. The adds dps check isn’t actually that hard at all. There is just a lot of basic things people do wrong:

-Healers aren’t putting dots on adds that live longer than 20 seconds
-AoEs being used poorly
-Jabber stunned outside the range of tethered healer…
-Adds being targeted poorly to where one dies way before the rest in the stack
-AoEs being used on groups of 2 adds…

There are classes that just excel during adds phase though: Viper, Black Mage, Astro, Sage to name the insane ones. If a healer isn’t at least double their normal DPS they are lost and don’t know what to do, good ones can even get 4x their damage in adds. Dancer is great for buffing viper. But yeah this tier viper is the Picto of last tier.

I get the frustration, but I think if you notice these core things I listed aren’t happening you need to stand up for yourself and your time. Say hey healers dot the cats on spawn. Dance partner the viper during adds phase. Focus the Yan to free up your tank to help cleave. You may not be the one causing the issues but if you don’t help out your PF group and let them know what’s going on it’s probably going to end up in frustration.

I healed that fight in PF. I didn’t get any decent pure healers in PF. And my decent whm definition is basically glare and use OGCDs to help out a bit… you occasionally get one that uses benediction but honestly the tanks just end up dying and I don’t see many healers using any of the “free” sections of their kits to help them out…

Sounds like healers forgot they're not just green DPS.
B-but mah parse

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Originally Posted by Valence

Sounds like healers forgot they're not just green DPS.
B-but mah parse

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It’s not even about the parse, they just hit glare and occasionally aoe heal…Very rarely can players think for themselves and make decisions without a guide. If it was about the parse they would have DOT uptime on the boss and multiple adds through the phase…I’m just tired of playing with them. If I try to mention one thing that would help them do better they take it as an attack and leave. Astro is leagues better than Whm but you can’t play Astro with macros and have high ping. I’m on the east coast and still drop stuff because a macro didn’t quite go off the way I wanted it to…