Devs Please Be Careful Not To Disrespect Real Native Cultures In The New World

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

You need to print your character avatar with this sentence right underneath and stick it in your wall, because this applies to almost every post you make yourself.

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Actually so true lmao, this dude is always talking about "the vocal minority on the forums" "the majority enjoys the game and likes everything in the game and of course also loves healers"

he's always talking as a majority, yet he aint.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

There is no issue giving an under represented culture a moment via high fantasy, but if you all remember the in game Native American headdress controversy, which actually did upset people of specific communities, this expansion has to tread carefully.

Again, I think it’s really cool that they are doing this, but one misstep, and the media will never let it down. Especially after the comments about FFXVI being supposedly racist. Division III needs to be careful with racial comments, and how they represent cultures from now on.

I hope that the players, especially here in North America are not shy to mention if the dev team messes up on any of the representation. They need to hear it from us first. I do not believe the devs are intentionally racist, or harmful to any group of people. Yoshi P and his team are much more progressive than the majority of Japan. I do think they will listen to us if such a misstep happens. There have been numerous missteps that got fixed.

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The only fix is to just give us worlds full of jelly and goo. No structures or people, just hills and blobs of goo. Miles of ooze.
No significance of anything. Weapons are just sticky colorful substance.

Nothing that people could tie into the real world should be inspired from anymore because in this day and age, people virtue signal, white knight and get offended for others so easily.

I'm excited to play the game I paid for and to see the future content.
Give me sharlayan/thavnair or moon housing and amazing, beautiful, long hairs & I'm happily fed.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

This definitely sounds like a case of trying to act as if you're speaking for a wider community, but you're really just speaking for yourself.

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Originally Posted by VentVanitas

forum challenge: take a shot every time someone vaguely mentions a silent majority (bonus shot if they change the number every time) or minority in their post

you will not survive.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

You need to print your character avatar with this sentence right underneath and stick it in your wall, because this applies to almost every post you make yourself.

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This was addressed during the lore section today at fanfest.

Banri Oda (paraphrased by Kate Cwynar): "it's really important that what we're trying to do is we're not trying to recreate reality. We're trying to imagine a world with perhaps similar locations but still fitting the history of FFXIV. But at the same time when we do draw on real life cultures and languages we want to develop an understanding and a respect for those cultures and we want to try to demonstrate that the best we can. And this is a real point of focus for 7.0. I can't say much about it but I will say that is something the team is very aware of. They're aware that we have not always made our goal demonstrating the proper respect for cultures in the past both as a game and as a franchise. We're really working on it."

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Originally Posted by AlexiaD

Actually so true lmao, this dude is always talking about "the vocal minority on the forums" "the majority enjoys the game and likes everything in the game and of course also loves healers"

he's always talking as a majority, yet he aint.

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It’s just the smug holier than tho attitude that gets me to laugh everytime

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Originally Posted by Striker44

This definitely sounds like a case of trying to act as if you're speaking for a wider community, but you're really just speaking for yourself.

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Lol, every time I see this dude he's always acting like he's the community ambassador. You don't speak for me or the community. I'm glad you're enjoying the game, but many people have grievances they like to voice. Yeah I'm annoyed with the direction the game is going with lack of gameplay but I'm still playing and having fun with my friends.

Looks like a vacation expansion with a Twist to it. Not sure how good it be for content.

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Originally Posted by Koros

LMAO this is the best troll of the month. I had to spend a minute figuring out how to turn my forum interface back to English.

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The moderators really need to handle people like you who bait, and ruin the posts on these forums. These forums run rampant without moderation, and it shows. There needs to be actual consequences for the constant trolling, and brigading on here. It's a common sentiment in the fandom that the forums are a place you should never ever go to, or else be at your own risk of stress.

That is an embarrassing problem for a fandom to have. There has to be a middle ground between the excessive moderating we had earlier in FFXIVs forums, to the rampant trolling and brigading that happens now. You guys are being so unfair to me, and I'm not going to just sit here and be called a troll. I am not hiding behind anything. Google me. I'm literally by the name I use on here, there is NOTHING troll about me. I am just a fan with concerns trying to voice my concerns, but you guys get a kick out of laughing, brigading, and bullying people in this community. You troll me excessively hard, because unlike other people on here, I don't just sit by and say its okay. I stand up for myself, and tell people that I am uncomfortable. I know you won't stop, even if I ask you to, so I'm not going to waste my breath, but I will point out that people are getting fed up with this place, and the day will come that all this brigading, and bullying will be put to rest. It can only happen for so long before it breaks, and the fandom has an incident. All it takes is one media article for the company to wake up, and put the bad behavior on these forums to rest.

Instead of pushing peoples buttons, and making people feel worse about themselves, you should use this freedom, and lack of moderation for good. We are taking the relaxed mentality the mods have on these forums for granted. This freedom to say whatever we want here can be taken away. Not that you care, I know these trolls won't. They'll find some other games community to break.

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Originally Posted by vetch

It's perfectly appropriate to be cautious in advance of any issues when one can still point to a time that Square screwed up and didn't fix it, as they didn't when the Sami tribal council demanded they stop copying and selling Sami cultural property in the cash shop without consulting them.

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Love how there is actual evidence of tribes being mad at how they are portrayed, but you guys just want to yell at me, and go "haha they are a troll".

These forums are lost on reality.

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Originally Posted by Eisi

This was addressed during the lore section today at fanfest.

Banri Oda (paraphrased by Kate Cwynar): "it's really important that what we're trying to do is we're not trying to recreate reality. We're trying to imagine a world with perhaps similar locations but still fitting the history of FFXIV. But at the same time when we do draw on real life cultures and languages we want to develop an understanding and a respect for those cultures and we want to try to demonstrate that the best we can. And this is a real point of focus for 7.0. I can't say much about it but I will say that is something the team is very aware of. They're aware that we have not always made our goal demonstrating the proper respect for cultures in the past both as a game and as a franchise. We're really working on it."

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They admitted to doing wrong in the past, which is precisely why I brought this up in the first place. I'm just concerned, but these forums keeping being toxic and horrible as usual.

The anti woke fallacy leads to nothing but hate and lack of listening. All people want when they want people to look out for minorities, races, sexual orientation, gender identity, disabilities, etc. is for people to be kind. They aren't telling you to not do anything, or not say anything about how you feel. They are saying to try your best to be a kind and decent person who LISTENS to the world around them. Not the person who sweeps underprivileged people under the rug, and is fine with making them feel uncomfortable.

Literally no one here vouching for others is trying to be woke, or just tell you what to do. We just want people to be sensitive and kind. It's not a bad thing to want. Its not a bad thing to hope for. Its literally just promoting understanding and kindness. I care more about other peoples comfort and understanding, that they are heard, and listened to. That people who are not visible enough are spoken for, and given the chance at being seen as equal. That absolutely does apply to media. You wouldn't want to see something that you connect to yourself represented so horribly, and that's not to say that villains can't be gay, trans, a certain race, disability, or whatever. We just want good people to be seen in these roles, as well as the things around them, because it absolutely does have an effect on culture. Gaming is a HUGE market in media, and so we do need to be careful what messages we send out.

Hate sucks. It just completely utterly sucks. Its the most deprived thing, and a waste of your lives. Stop focusing on it, and just look to hope. Look to kindness, and promotion of hearing out other cultures that you may not understand. There is nothing wrong with that. Ever.

And I get that change and growth is frustrating. I get that people are burnt out of all of the criticisms that people have for society. We have been through a lot in our recent human history. I can completely accept that, but I will not give up on the good of humankind, and kindness values. Even if I'm tired. That is too selfish, and ignorant to do. It's okay to take a break from this kind of conversation, and take a step back. That is absolutely okay, but to rail on people for choosing to listen, and say HEY, we should do better about this.. its just heartless. I just want everyone to enjoy this game, and to hopefully not encounter an accidental stereotype of their culture. Inspiration is inspiration, but it still should be tasteful. There is no reason to make someone feel like they have to question if the game, or its fanbase supports them.