Naoki Yoshida says negative comments from trolls are "tiresome"

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

There is a vast difference between the hostile trolling I have seen, and genuine actual feedback. Constructive feedback is always welcome. Trolling and some of the vitriol I have seen dished out here?

No.



Where and when did this happen?

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We will reach the end of the universe and forum users will still think the forums have any relevance.

None of the "trolling" any of you have seen is what Yoshi P is talking about lmao

It is funny to me, though, that the virtuous cycle of non-moderation, delusional posting, and performance art trolling has resulted in the game's own official forums becoming the least useful and least respected place of discussion outside of Japan. It's no mean feat to become less relevant than Reddit, and yet: here we are.

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Originally Posted by Sindele

It is funny to me, though, that the virtuous cycle of non-moderation, delusional posting, and performance art trolling has resulted in the game's own official forums becoming the least useful and least respected place of discussion outside of Japan. It's no mean feat to become less relevant than Reddit, and yet: here we are.

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lmao yes blame the posters and moderation

It's irrelevant because the community managers do not care about feedback. Everywhere is as equally irrelevant as the forums. They don't care about Reddit or Twitter either. Only place they care about is 2ch.

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Originally Posted by Koros

lmao yes blame the posters and moderation

It's irrelevant because the community managers do not care about feedback. Everywhere is as equally irrelevant as the forums. They don't care about Reddit or Twitter either. Only place they care about is 2ch.

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Unfortunately, probably not wrong, since Yoshida seems to be "surprised" by a lot of our feedback here.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

I'm not the one simping for a dude who doesn't know either of us exist lol

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"Trolls suck"

"yeah that's true"

"SIMP!"


yuhuh.

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Originally Posted by Koros

lmao yes blame the posters and moderation

It's irrelevant because the community managers do not care about feedback. Everywhere is as equally irrelevant as the forums. They don't care about Reddit or Twitter either. Only place they care about is 2ch.

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Who else, exactly, exists in the equation to blame? Where there is a forum, there are posters; where there are posters, there are (or are not) mods. All other forces are extraneous to this eternal power struggle. You know and I know that posting does not cease no matter how good or bad things are.

Unless you intend to start blaming God for the state of the forums, I'm pretty comfortable pointing at the only two players on the field.

And if you think the CMs don't keep tabs on the state of the various communities are in and have opinions on them, that's an unexpectedly naive take for you!

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

FWIW, he is almost certainly talking about comments from JP. It's extremely funny that a few people in this thread think Yoshida is sitting here reading the incredibly mild comments on the English forums and getting upset.

Certain elements of the JP gaming community are INCREDIBLY unhinged and hateful. I browse 5ch sometimes and there are some absolutely deranged threads that make these forums look like the nicest place on earth in comparison.

There are threads dedicated to bullying YoshiP on 2ch/5ch, wherein people post all kinds of insane accusations and personal information about him..

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That is really messed up.

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Originally Posted by Sindele

Who else, exactly, exists in the equation to blame? Where there is a forum, there are posters; where there are posters, there are (or are not) mods. All other forces are extraneous to this eternal power struggle. You know and I know that posting does not cease no matter how good or bad things are.

Unless you intend to start blaming God for the state of the forums, I'm pretty comfortable pointing at the only two players on the field.

And if you think the CMs don't keep tabs on the state of the various communities are in and have opinions on them, that's an unexpectedly naive take for you!

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"Detroit is poor because the citizens are rowdy and the police don't care, not because the government stopped caring about it and tune out all their complaints"

"Oh but if you think the government doesn't care, they actually do! That's why they never appear in Detroit and throw out all of Detroit's votes"

edit: since sin is crying about this just change detroit to vanillaville lmao, imagine thinking this is political

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Originally Posted by Sindele

Really, pivoting to charged political comparisons first? No patience. You're better than this!

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sry i will not make the mistake of taking you seriously and respecting you again

Really, pivoting to charged political comparisons first? No patience. You're better than this!

E: "imagine thinking a comparison to literal politics is political" wat

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

I feel FFXVI got a lot of undeserved hate. I thought it was one of the best entries in the mainline series, gorgeous zones, fantastic music and some of the best written characters we've seen. And it felt very much like any other FF title.

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Excuse me? Either your eyes need a check-up or you haven't played a lot of SE games.
Valisthea is by far and large the most uninspired looking setting in Square-Enix history. The only thing it has that sets itself apart from being the most barebones medieval land any artist who never designed a high fantasy environment could do are the structures from the Fallen and the giant mothercrystals.
Gorgeous graphics... Generic design. Doesn't hold a candle to the creativity of the design of even the worst of the FFs of the last twenty years. Maps are like two third just narrow corridors with nothing interesting going on visually or wide areas that are completely barren or plagued by arbitrarily placed invisible walls that any other company of SE's caliber left behind in the Xbox 360 generation.
The game only did the lead characters/villains and boss fights well. Everything else falls short compared to every single source of inspiration for its systems and scenario. It's a dated, symptom of how terrible SE is at managing their budget resulting in style over substance mediocre experiences with archaic conservative game design that teams with less than half their resources have long since surpassed.
They're just lucky people thirsty for nostalgia see "Final Fantasy" in the title and throw money at them regardless.