How can we reopen the FF14 subreddit?

If you want to view a Reddit page that answers your question, you can always try the cache. In the ... menu next to a Google link, a lot of the time they have a cached version of the page from the pre-blackout days.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

I don't have any problem with mods in general. In fact I appreciate their time and service under normal circumstances. I was even fine with the 2 day blackout to raise awareness so individual users can make more informed decisions to stay on Reddit or not. 80% of mods made the decision to reopen, in fact, and I appreciate thier continued work.

My appreciation ends when they use their power to remove access to the community to hundreds of thousands of people. Even if a majority voted for the blackout (and I'd love to see how many votes there actually were vs. members...), it's still impacting a rather large number of users who don't agree and just want to use the site.

Most mods are not the originators of these communities. And a lot of them actively sought out these positions for whatever desire/enjoyment they get out of moderating.

I already said I think Reddit should have comparable solutions in place before making these changes. But Reddit owns its platform and they are free to make decisions, for good or ill, and as a consumer I can decide, on my own and not with a mod making a decision for me, if I still want to patron their site.

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Excep you are also making a decision for others. You aren't giving them the option to boycott be closing a sub reddit that affects reddit income and has a chance of forcing changes.



You as a consumer want to force other consumers to abide by your will.



And you said you don't even use the site, so why do you even care?

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Excep you are also making a decision for others. You aren't giving them the option to boycott be closing a sub reddit that affects reddit income and has a chance of forcing changes.



You as a consumer want to force other consumers to abide by your will.



And you said you don't even use the site, so why do you even care?

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Huh? They can boycott entirely on their own. This is forcing others into their boycott and that's where I draw the line. What a bizarre thought process you have there.

I also said I don't use the FFXIV sub. I use the site a lot.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

That’s how I feel. I don’t think a tiny number of moderators should be able to control if hundreds of thousands of people who use their subreddit get to engage with it. It’s pretty selfish. People should have their own decision if whatever is going on rises to the level of not using thr platform.

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So if we found out SE was severely underpaying their GM team but were still within a legal threshold. In other words, they were being incredibly cheap but not doing anything illegal, and the GM team decided to go on strike. You'd side with SE in this hypothetical? After all, a full GM strike would be a massive inconvenience for the majority of users while only benefiting a small minority moderation team.

Reddit's CEO is playing on this exact mindset that the masses won't care that actually managing and moderating reddit will become significantly worse because they just want to poke around on the website. It isn't selfish whatsoever. The mod teams are essentially unpaid workers and are trying to protest a change which makes their job harder for no benefit to anyone else, users included, but to make a rich man richer.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

Huh? They can boycott entirely on their own. This is forcing others into their boycott and that's where I draw the line. What a bizarre thought process you have there.

I also said I don't use the FFXIV sub. I use the site a lot.

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Subreddits as a community also have the option of boycotting, which is what's happening. So again, you want to remove the community voice option, in favor of single users.



Which would be even worse in terms of making actual changes happen.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

So if we found out SE was severely underpaying their GM team but were still within a legal threshold. In other words, they were being incredibly cheap but not doing anything illegal, and the GM team decided to go on strike. You'd side with SE in this hypothetical? After all, a full GM strike would be a massive inconvenience for the majority of users while only benefiting a small minority moderation team.

Reddit's CEO is playing on this exact mindset that the masses won't care that actually managing and moderating reddit will become significantly worse because they just want to poke around on the website. It isn't selfish whatsoever. The mod teams are essentially unpaid workers and are trying to protest a change which makes their job harder for no benefit to anyone else, users included, but to make a rich man richer.

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These aren't paid positions, they are volunteer positions. Collective bargaining for employees has nothing to do with volunteer moderating an internet forum. They can decide not to volunteer and move on.

Edit: In general though yes I would side with SE. Those GMs knew the hourly wage offered when they accepted employment. The marketplace solution if a request for a raise is denied is to find a higher paying job and leave, and if SE thought they had enough value they could counter. If the pay was vastly under market they'd probably also have a hard time keeping the role filled.

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Originally Posted by dansetal

Please don't tell me you're going to suggest Novice Network because that shit is filled with useless mentors

Regardless, only 1% of people use third party apps, but more than 95% of people are lurkers, meaning they just the subreddit to get answers to question or look at a meme or two and now we do this blackout for the 1% and ruin the experience for the 95%.

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with that attitude i can see why no one wants to help. but since apparently google isn't working for you tons of guides on Youtube, ffxiv groups such the balance, and such on discord and *gasp* you can even ask for help here but honestly see my first sentence.

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Originally Posted by Donoman

All of these should just be consolidated into one.

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Fantastic idea, let us know when you're finished please

I thought reddit had started booting mods and opening subs? I thought I saw one that was reopened a mod posted "We were told if not open today we would be replaced."

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Originally Posted by dansetal

The official Discord doesn't

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There is no official discord, there is no official subreddit.
I don't use either of these things and I have no trouble finding information.