What happened in the last week to make people so vocally against the current state?

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Originally Posted by Colt47

Actually, doing some queue times to try and see how hard it is to queue for 24 mans, it is an incredibly long wait to get into copied factory most of the time on crystal. The queue times have been something like 25+ minutes on a DPS and that is with a special event going at the same time.

As this MMO ages things are going to get really hard to run under the current design, including savage eventually when that population burns out (and it has been burning out pretty badly going into the tail end of tier 2). Hollow Earth going into full swing with this MMO just like it did with WoW most likely.

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The latter is why I love rolling mountain, future proofing, and even before blue mage actual launch was like... oh.. this could actually help with content death (and was okay with the idea of limited under the understanding it would be solo-king)!

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

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Also lol @ "Ask those trying to tackle it for the first time."

That's literally the point, if you played this game for a while, there is nothing left to do because 95% of the game is old outdated content, and no, sorry not sorry, roulettes are not content, it's the same boring thing in which you end up with 2 or 3 spells because its a low level dungeon or raid, because oh my god the entertainment of using 2 spells in a dungeon or raid, how fun

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I mean I have fun in Old dungeons because I like to limit test depending on the tank I can see what tank can do how much it can handle and my friend that plays healer does the same with healing classes and an older dungeons there's less walls every two pulls some of those you can pull a lot of trash and it's fun

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

That's literally the point, if you played this game for a while, there is nothing left to do because 95% of the game is old outdated content, and no, sorry not sorry, roulettes are not content, it's the same boring thing in which you end up with 2 or 3 spells because its a low level dungeon or raid, because oh my god the entertainment of using 2 spells in a dungeon or raid, how fun

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It's okay to say it doesn't appeal to you as content.

Trying to deny that it's content when clearly it is doesn't help your argument at all. And you're free to avoid the low level content if you don't enjoy it.

Pandaemonium, EX trials, Myths of the Realm, PvP, Eureka Orthos, Criterion Dungeon, Ultimate raids, etc. None of those are limiting you to 2 or 3 buttons.

You really need to lay off that copium you're sucking down. It could explain why the only thing you do in game is play with your houses instead of doing other content the game has.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

It's okay to say it doesn't appeal to you as content.

Trying to deny that it's content when clearly it is doesn't help your argument at all. And you're free to avoid the low level content if you don't enjoy it.

Pandaemonium, EX trials, Myths of the Realm, PvP, Eureka Orthos, Criterion Dungeon, Ultimate raids, etc. None of those are limiting you to 2 or 3 buttons.

You really need to lay off that copium you're sucking down. It could explain why the only thing you do in game is play with your houses instead of doing other content the game has.

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Watching nikocado avocado mukbang is content too, but I'm not desperate enough to watch that yet.

You keep bringing up the same 'content' over and over, but half of that only appeals to a specific playerbase. The rest? 1 and done. And don't even get me started on the PvP. lol

So yeah, it's not appealing content. The combat is so braindead now that basically nothing they make is appealing anymore, remove the rewards and it's not even worth our time.

Also constantly telling players looking for midcore to "Go raid", when that's not something that was appealing to them in the first place - Doesn't get you anywhere. You're just a broken record.

Players saying they don't find the new content appealing, and they want more repeatable dynamic content they can solo or group up for isn't that much of an ask when most MMOs are offering that currently. So what you're gonna say next is "Play those games then", and what we're gonna say is "We are", then what you're gonna say is.. "Then why are you subbed" .. Then we're gonna respond with "Friends + House".

It's a never-ending cycle. You can't yell at people enough to make them want to do the shit they don't want to do. If they don't find it fun, then it's not fun. It ain't complicated.

I also keep seeing you tell players they aren't giving suggestions, and you know that's a straight up lie. We meme because we've given suggestions for so long. All you need to do is open that person's Post History dude, read a few posts, and you'll understand what they want. Half of their posts are suggestions, but you'll always focus on the maymays and bickering huh.

The real cope is when you can't admit that some people have legitimate complaints. If we had any sort of staying power, we wouldn't be dropping 80% of players 3 days after every patch cycle. You'd see a slow decline, but instead it's a steep cliff every time.

Your responses are just as scripted and boring as XIV's content.

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Originally Posted by R041

Watching nikocado avocado mukbang is content too, but I'm not desperate enough to watch that yet.

You keep bringing up the same 'content' over and over, but half of that only appeals to a specific playerbase. The rest? 1 and done. And don't even get me started on the PvP. lol

So yeah, it's not appealing content. The combat is so braindead now that basically nothing they make is appealing anymore, remove the rewards and it's not even worth our time.

Also constantly telling players looking for midcore to "Go raid", when that's not something that was appealing to them in the first place - Doesn't get you anywhere. You're just a broken record.

Players saying they don't find the new content appealing, and they want more repeatable dynamic content they can solo or group up for isn't that much of an ask when most MMOs are offering that currently. So what you're gonna say next is "Play those games then", and what we're gonna say is "We are", then what you're gonna say is.. "Then why are you subbed" .. Then we're gonna respond with "Friends + House".

It's a never-ending cycle. You can't yell at people enough to make them want to do the shit they don't want to do. If they don't find it fun, then it's not fun. It ain't complicated.

I also keep seeing you tell players they aren't giving suggestions, and you know that's a straight up lie. We meme because we've given suggestions for so long. All you need to do is open that person's Post History dude, read a few posts, and you'll understand what they want. Half of their posts are suggestions, but you'll always focus on the maymays and bickering huh.

The real cope is when you can't admit that some people have legitimate complaints. If we had any sort of staying power, we wouldn't be dropping 80% of players 3 days after every patch cycle. You'd see a slow decline, but instead it's a steep cliff every time.

Your responses are just as scripted and boring as XIV's content.

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Take a moment for self-reflection and ask yourself the following:
If you feel this game is a ripoff with poor content design, why are you still here playing and paying for it?
Then consider your answer.
Is your life better because you stayed?

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Originally Posted by Colt47

As this MMO ages things are going to get really hard to run under the current design, including savage eventually when that population burns out

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Presumably as some point when the game reaches a decline state, they will have to start either shutting down underpopulated servers or merging data centres together, if they don't overcome the inter-DC queue barrier before that point.

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Originally Posted by hunkygladiator

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He's right, though.

If you add up all the people on the forums - positive AND negative - it's probably less than a thousand people, and probably only a few hundred that post frequently. If you look at only the frequent posters AND who are negative as well, the number is MAYBE 200-300, if even that. In a game being played by over 1,000,000 people and possibly over 2,000,000 people, even 1,000 is only 0.1%.

This isn't to say that none of the other people share the negative views. It's almost certain that some do. But the actual number of people posting and liking the negative views is a small fraction of the playerbase, and we don't know if they're really supported by, or representative of, the rest or not.

Even your post here has only 15 likes. Few posts here have over 100, and I haven't seen any with more than 300. So even here, even if you got everyone on board with a position, you're still talking only around 0.1% of the playerbase, and we have no reason to think the rest of the player base - happily playing the game/logging into the game instead of onto the forums - shares those views. And even here, of this small percent, are some people who like the game or don't agree with all the negativity.

Mocking people pointing out a fact doesn't make them wrong, it makes you wrong. You can argue with their interpretation of the fact, but not the fact itself.

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OP:

PROBABLY Yoshi P's statement on the Relic. That set a lot of people off. Add to that that we're in a content drought at the end of a patch AND patches are 2 weeks longer now AND we don't have some grindy Exploration content (like Eureka/Bozja) to keep people busy, so a lot of people have done everything they care to do in game for the time being and are either afk or are here complaining about it. Hell, I have a few Roles I'd be grinding tomes for right now to get 630 gear for but Tomes are still locked to 450, so there I can't even work on those things if I wanted to. And obviously, the Relic problem.

There are Moogle Tomes, which IS a good idea for them to do at the end of each patch, but after 2 weeks, I think I have everything I needed from them as well as got Rank 25 via Frontline PvP farming them (was already over 15, so just finished the job to get the armor coffer) and Deep Dungeons aren't DF friendly since you have to make PF premades to do over floor 31 unless you're soloing, so that's a no go. Island Sweatshop I can't stand and avoid since I'd rather gather and craft myself, not be timegated by having to play middle manager of a sweatshop, and...yeah. I've even almost finished my quest to do every sidequest in the game, just have around 50 left across EW zones - which sounds like a lot until you realize how many I've done to get here. :)

Longer patches + no Exploration Zone content was a mistake. Making the Relic grind pure Tomestones and not even HW or ARR-like just doubled down on that mistake.

I noticed a lot of people's posts have been getting deleted lately, and I don't see the post deletion marker - Which means the mods are out to play.

So I'm gonna re-post something I know was deleted.

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GREATEST HITS SUCH AS:

1. "Play another game"
2. "Unsubscribe then"
3. "The game was always like this"
4. "You didn't even give suggestions"
5. "You just doom and gloom"
6. "Yoshi P said~"
7. "It's just a small minority"
8. "Steam charts mean nothing"
9. "Nobody watches Twitch"
10. "I never liked that content creator anyway"
11. "Who wants to grind that?"
12. "I like it better this way"
13. "I still have so much content to do"
14. "I don't want more things to do"
15. "You don't even have all the achievements"
16. "Have you tried doing Ultimates?"
17. "Housing is a luxury"
18. "I don't want that, it gives me FOMO"
19. "Back when I played WoW ~"
20. "Just datacenter hop"

AND MANY MORE!

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I see people talk an awful lot about the vast majority of people playing the game and not on the forums as being ultimately satisfied with it. Has nobody ever considered the possibility that there are just as many dissatisfied, who come here to visit the forums, see how their critique would be responded to, and instead elect to quietly back away instead? It's far and away from being beyond the realm of possibility. I daresay it's even something some here ought to put more thought into.

As for myself, Endwalker's content thus far simply hasn't felt nearly as enjoyable and/or actively played as what came before it in previous expansions. It just hasn't, and I struggle to see just where the arguments that it has come from aside from anecdotal experiences which cannot be relied upon on a statistical basis. Take Variant, for instance. Once you get all the rewards for it, that particular Variant is all but through. That isn't to say that nobody does it for the simple fact that they enjoy the dungeon, but by and large people play MMO content due to what they can earn by completing the content moreso than the joy they get from the content itself.

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Originally Posted by TowaIsBestGirl

I see people talk an awful lot about the vast majority of people playing the game and not on the forums as being ultimately satisfied with it. Has nobody ever considered the possibility that there are just as many dissatisfied, who come here to visit the forums, see how their critique would be responded to, and instead elect to quietly back away instead? It's far and away from being beyond the realm of possibility. I daresay it's even something some here ought to put more thought into.

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You know, for someone supposedly against all the back and forth in the forums, you certainly seem to be posting a good amount in the most controversial threads.