Mentor Status AKA the new Sprouts AKA Burger King Hats

Seems like a lot of effort to try to plug a bad system with the ratings. If you see crowns you know they are likely going to be worse than sprouts and that's enough.

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Originally Posted by ThaCa

Seems like a lot of effort to try to plug a bad system with the ratings. If you see crowns you know they are likely going to be worse than sprouts and that's enough.

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Yes its definitely the crowns running around like chickens whenever they have to be autonomous without following the danger dorito /s

It's just a icon next to a name; it could be the AFK chair icon and still hold almost the same weight behind it.

We are also human, not machines, and even machines mess up in spectalular fashion. Cut each other some slack. :)

People should realize (both mentor and not mentor) that mentor doesn't mean you can play, only that you played long enough to get the 1500 honors. Some can, some are good at a few things, and some are terrible.

Having played from since before the mentor thing was even brought in. I will say this. This needs to be removed. That crown don't mean anything. a large amount of "mentors" don't know a darn thing about this game or any mechanics and its not like they do anything new. you play long enough then you can instantly recognize what you need to do. Then you have the "mentors" who just got their comms to stay in their chatroom known as novice network. Sure i been in it here and there and some servers are good at dropping discussion to actually answer a question but i rarely see a mentor give a right answer on most worlds. Some novice networks are used soley as a hunt linkshell or in the case of a few worlds, charged people gil to join. Then theres mentor rouleyttes. basically a roulette designed for you to help sprouts but most times the mentor..yet again, doesn't know what they are doing or say something like "if we have 3 wipes im leaving".

If a mentor is able to give tips and wipes still happens. then its not on the mentor. sprouts just not getting it or listening or bad lag. etc etc. However, i have heard way more horror stories about mentors then actual good things. One day on my original character I had decided i wanted to help people. so i got my mentor, which i can say is a total joke to get. You can unsync pretty much anything and as players have proven, make a pity macro for comms. I earned all my comms for the original amount and did the dungeons and stuff. it was pretty easy and then i learned by watching the actual mentors and running stuff how to play and do mechanics. I would give little bits of tips here and there in party chat and generally people were receptive. my current character i decided to go the crafter/gatherer route which is just as simple to do.

then i watched chats. if it didn't devolve to politics or other topics, some people genuinely helped and i myself would pm sprouts here and there to answer. However, i quickly learned that not having that crown is way better. I can help people without being judged because lets face it. lots of the playerbase think low of the mentors. Not the fault of the actual mentors who do help but its the rest of the burgerkings/burgerqueens who made it that way. The system either needs to be overhauled to include showing basic knowledge in different mechanics or tougher requirements to actually get the crown. heck i would even love to see a single savage thrown in. having done a few, i have a different outlook on the game and see what the normal content is all about or it needs to be abolished altogether. its a joke system with a mentor network used as a large in game gabfest that rarely stops to actually answer questions.

To the level 90 Mentor tank in my trial, I salute you for turning the boss NUMEROUS times towards the party and wiping half of them. Bravo. That crown looks great.

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Originally Posted by CNitsah

People should realize (both mentor and not mentor) that mentor doesn't mean you can play, only that you played long enough to get the 1500 honors. Some can, some are good at a few things, and some are terrible.

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Yes, thats what people have an issue with...

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

I DEFY YOU to find me one player in all the playerbase that knows the mechanics of each and every fight by heart.

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Psst. This isn't the accomplishment you think it is. Most of the fights are very simple, and a great deal of them share some or several mechanics. Once you know a mechanic, you know it. Even the fights that aren't simple still boil down to memorization, which most people won't completely lose due the unfathomable amounts of repetition involved. You can toss just about any competent player into a fight they've not touched in years and reasonably expect it to come back to them very quickly.

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Originally Posted by Meowdyj

Oh look it's another thread about Mentor Crown again. Everytime these pop up the general consensus is that mentors should know every mechanic, every duty boss, mastered every job and cleared all savage and ultimate fights. Because you know mentors are robots, not actual human beings trying to help out when they are able to.

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Slapping the crown on means you are volunteering to guide other players. Queueing for mentor roulette likewise carries certain expectations. It is not unreasonable for players to expect crowns to be useful when they queue into, for example, an extreme trial. Instead of usefulness, what you sometimes get is some saltlord that collects vuln stacks like Pokemon and only half-knows how their class works.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Doesnt matter. Its third party, its illegal to use, plugins or not. Its cheating. Why is it cheating? it gives an unfair advantage to those who dont use it.

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Discord gives an "uinfair" advantage to those who use it. It is a third-party tool. Not everyone can/is willing with to get in a voice chat with other players, and their performance often suffers because of it. By your logic, this is in fact cheating.

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Originally Posted by Makarovv

First and foremost , this post is not meant to come off as elitism or anything of the sorts, just some suggestions to improve the system in place. I find it incredibly annoying wiping multiple times in a row in roulettes cause half or more than half the party, in some cases, are made up of sprouts following the mentor that doesn't actually know the mechanics., when your just trying to get through your dailies. I have no problems helping out sprouts, i enjoy it, the problem is the sprout in disguise (aka Mentor) causing the wipes due to the crown. In order to combat this, i have some suggestions:

1. Add a grade system for each instances.
2. Anyone with a (B+) in said instances crowns will show , Anyone with (B), (B-) in said instances crowns will be turned off as soon they zone in.
3. Don't Make the grades hard to bring back up for the instances in case people fail mechanics multiple times.
4. Grade updates after duty is complete.
5. Make achievements for having all instances (extremes and below) At an (A) - give a title and (A+) - gives a Mount.

I believe this will push players/community to want to do better or strive to be a better player. you get the gist of it, im out. Thank you for coming to my ted talk o/

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No thanks the system works fine as it is.

Place the Burger King Crown upon my head Tirion, and forevermore I shall be the jailor of the duty finder extreme queueing sprouts.