When is PLD Getting Fixed So It Can Be a VIABLE Tank?

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Originally Posted by Alerith

Was there not currently an issue where Sentinel isn't affecting skills at the moment? Also, while I advocate for PLD tanking, having all 8 players in range for Rampart during a fight isn't always realistically possible.

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I also heard that thing about Sentinel being broken. i just do it atm cause i am used to doing so.
They will fix it i supose so i am staying used to using it like that. no reason to not use it at all.
Also you can always ALWAYS do rampart at the start of the battle. ALWAYS hit 8 players.
Not one fight u cant do that right after buffs.

I am just saying cause ur rotation does not start with that is all.
You dont need to do it in battle all the time. Starting with is is good tho.
Some battle allow u to do it in the middle aswell.

Ramparting:

Coincounter = When u see Swing in battle log run towards party to get him on his ass and rampart on them
(Plenty of time)

Garuda: Everytime she moves to the middle u can run to the pt hiding behind the pillar.
Will protect u from getting hit and u can rampart on them safely.

Chimera: Easy to start with.

Ifrit: Easy to start with. everyone runs behind Ifrit when battle starts. super safe.

Mogs: Easy to start with (the one tanking Whiskerwall in phase two should be the one to do it)

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Originally Posted by Alerith

While the timing allows that, you may not have TP to do both since you are doing this from the very start of the fight. That's why I don't Aegis Boon before I engage the mob. I want to be sure I have at least enough or close to enough TP for Phalanx.

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I don't do it right at the start of battle :)
I don't recall having a TP issue with my rotation.

Keep ur wardrum in mind. Phalanx's TP req is funny. not worth mentionning.

Also have ur BRDs do this.

When u all clustered after buffs they need to give Rigor song,
Dosent matter if it hits mages too.
What matters is u go to claim mob with ACC buffed cause if u run in and start missing then u will have a problem.

BRD can give mages Ballad after tank moves away with his ACC song on.

Everybody wins this way :)
Tank hass ACC
Mages have MP

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Originally Posted by Alerith

I must respectfully disagree.

1. Maddening Potion
2. Provoke
3. Aegis Boon
4. Phalanx
5. Spirit's Within
6. Flash
7. Divine Veil
8. War Drum
9. Provoke
10. Fast/Flat Blade Combo

*Rampart can be placed anywhere when your melee are in range and it won't potentially interrupt a combo.

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This will allow your mages to start nuking from the get go. You still run the risk of ripping enmity off the tank, but as you said, it's up to the mages to determine whether it's safe to nuke or not. If you decide to Thundara while in the red, that's your bad, not the tanks.

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The reason Rampart is placed so early in my list is that if you use Rampart within range of the whole party, it amounts to a MASSIVE enmity boost. It's also the reason my list is so much shorter than yours.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

The reason Rampart is placed so early in my list is that if you use Rampart within range of the whole party, it amounts to a MASSIVE enmity boost. It's also the reason my list is so much shorter than yours.

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Molls, If u use Rampart and mob isnt aggroed yet u wont get hate at all.
First voke it then Rampart.

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Originally Posted by YuriSan

Maddening potion better after aggro. and also no Rampart before aggro. it only works after u get hate on mob.
Otherwise it's useless.

Also Sentinel always before voke and flash cause it amplifies hate skills.

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I agree you would have a second or two more of madding pot effect if you pop your pot after you grab hate. I always pop mine at the start though. Sentinal actually doesn't work on hate skills, it works on dmg, the skill part is mostly broken. It's Rampart that works with skills, which is why it's in my list where it is. I didn't realize that rampart would give a larger boost after hate is initially gained, but that makes sense given how it's cast.

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Originally Posted by YuriSan

Molls, If u use Rampart and mob isnt aggroed yet u wont get hate at all.
First voke it then Rampart.

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That's true, but it does boost hate gained from abilities done while it's effect is active.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

That's true, but it does boost hate gained from abilities done while it's effect is active.

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Wait...what? Since when? Ramparts effect simply states that it boosts defense and generates massive enmity. Nowhere does it say that it enhances enmity on other abilities while it's active.

In fact, Sentinel's text says that it does this and it STILL doesn't work exactly as written.

Some interesting insight on rotations so far guys!

Wasn't Sentinel confirmed to mainly have an effect onWS damage? In this case, you'd probably want to pop it before your first Aegis Boon/Spirits combo, hopefully following it up with War Drum and Divine Veil before the effect wears.

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Originally Posted by Alerith

Wait...what? Since when? Ramparts effect simply states that it boosts defense and generates massive enmity. Nowhere does it say that it enhances enmity on other abilities while it's active.

In fact, Sentinel's text says that it does this and it STILL doesn't work exactly as written.

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I know it's not in the description but I thought I had seen that in somebody's test results. My search for a source has been fruitless though, so I'm thinking I pulled that out of my ass. I'll go back to my corner now. :P

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Originally Posted by Arkine

1- Block rate is still laughable, unlike warrior's parry rate which happens often thanks to "nerfed" Rampage, it seems like my PLD only realizes that he has a shield when I use an ability.

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Have you tested blocking with a gridanian buckler, large amounts of dex and block rate?

I don't think block rate needs fixing, we just all decide to use big ass shields with alot more block than block rate.

However, when we can clock up to 60% dmg reduction using a kite shield or higher, it is more practical to force abilities for blocks for ultimate mitigation than block rate with less mitigation and that's where I feel there is some unbalancing.

LOL, /facepalm,

well , at least yall are using pld now, still... /facepalm (wish i still had fraps on my laptop)

Will say this tho, coincounter is a joke, glad I finally went out and did the damn thing, dont understand what the big deal is, even without running from 100 tonze what was the big deal? enless you stacked hp materia or somthing retarded like that, DH's orger is more challanging...