The difficulty curve in the game has... problems...

There is no curve, it's more of a 90 degree angle.

Everything in the game can be done by playing with your feet, and then you hit savage and it's not even the same game anymore

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Originally Posted by Issaella

I forced myself to join another prog at Harma with zero hope of getting any farther. Progged for about an hour before someone had to leave. I managed not to wipe us and get the mechanic right after like 5 tries on Harma. Actually cleared Overflow and the second Overflow easier than Harma. Saw enrage once near the end (~25%) before we disbanded. I died, like a lot, a lot more than everyone else it seemed like, and still am clearly the weakest link.

But, it may be, minutely possible that I can eventually clear it. Enrage once at 25% is a long ass way from a clear, but it might not be impossible. It's still really f'ing hard though and the game does absolutely nothign to prepare you for it. And I'd be willing to put a large wager that I just lucked into a unicorn group that felt sorry enough not to kick me bringing paper bag tier DPS.

I'll keep trying I guess. I will withold my judgement on the feasibility until I actually get a clear though. I think there is an above even chance I end up in the old folks home (ie - the perpetual "seen enrage a bunch" groups, but never get a clear).

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It sadly doesn't look like you have any logs. I was going to offer some pointers but I don't know what I am working with. I did my savage stuff as Mch, and I like to think I do well as Mch.

Yeah 25% is pretty high for enrage. How ever I am pretty sure when I first saw enrage my group had it pretty high as well but that is what prog is you typically aren't going to clear. If you don't feel comfortable with the mechanics to potentially clear (able to ideally go through the fight with out dying or killing some one) you may want to practice more before that push to clear.

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

It sadly doesn't look like you have any logs...

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Because they are hidden and will remain so. I don't need my shameful bottomdweller grey parses posted for all to see. I didn't even know I had any (or even thought about it) until someone said something a while back and I had to scramble to figure out how to get rid of them. There is noting to see there but disappointment and humiliation.

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Originally Posted by Issaella

Because they are hidden and will remain so. I don't need my shameful bottomdweller grey parses posted for all to see. I didn't even know I had any (or even thought about it) until someone said something a while back and I had to scramble to figure out how to get rid of them. There is noting to see there but disappointment and humiliation.

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lol wear them with pride they eventually get better. I cleared P2S with a dark who was low enough to not even get a score, it doesn't really matter in the end, and I really don't think people actively check people before allowing players in a party. If they do then they are just losers you don't want to play with anyways.

If you are able to access them though, copy and paste one into the xivanalysis website and it will give you a run down in what you may have done wrong, and what can be improved. It's a pretty cool tool gives you essentially goals to achieve.

Fair Warning: If your parses are as low as you are claiming, it may be a bit overwhelming to look through at first, but I promise it is a good tool for improvement.

Example: Drill, Bioblaster: 25 / 30 (83.33%), which essentially is there were 5 additional drills I could have gotten off through out the entire fight but I did not for what ever reason. This difference alone may have made this run go from the 80% to maybe 90% as 5 is actually a lot to miss as a bulk of your damage is drill.

You can also take some one who has a high parse, and throw it in to see how they open, or what sort of rotation they do, to learn from them as well. Usually when I want to mess around with another job I use this tool to figure out how to play it.

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

lol wear them with pride they eventually get better.

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You vastly overestimate my ability to translate "you know where you stopped casting in order to move because you can't mouse-turn and click a cooldown at the same time, don't do that." and "you know when you stopped casting in order to process information to not wipe everyone, don't do that either" into an actual increase in performance.

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Originally Posted by Issaella

You vastly overestimate my ability to translate "you know where you stopped casting in order to move because you can't mouse-turn and click a cooldown at the same time, don't do that." and "you know when you stopped casting in order to process information to not wipe everyone, don't do that either" into an actual increase in performance.

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Wack a dummy and move around while doing it. MCH is the best for being mobile and maintaining up time. Do your rotation enough you won't have to think about it at all itll just be muscle memory. Also practice not clicking skills and try to adjust your keybinds where you can actively press all your skills with one hand and little movement. Good keybinds are very key, I can't really give you advice on that really mine many would consider bad but its comfortable for me. May want to look up some guides on keybinding and play around with it. It took me a couple hours to figure out how I wanted mine, and that is excluding practicing it afterwards and making adjustments.

For example I have my rotation as qwe, with my ogcds gause barrel and ricochet as 12, so I can easily press 12 after each step of my rotation, Drill air anchor and chainsaw I have as rty.

Trust me, there are people that parse purple and are still stuck trying to clear this tier from p2s and p3s onwards.

I think ddamage and healing meters only matter when you cannot kill a boss before an enrage timer or going for world first. Without monitoring dps or healing output you'd have no clue who is responsible for doing low damage or not topping off the raid fast enough and who to replace. Its toxic and cutthroat but necessary given the difficulty of the content.

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Originally Posted by Issaella

Because they are hidden and will remain so. I don't need my shameful bottomdweller grey parses posted for all to see. I didn't even know I had any (or even thought about it) until someone said something a while back and I had to scramble to figure out how to get rid of them. There is noting to see there but disappointment and humiliation.

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I started off the bottom, during my grind, I started to see it go from grey, to not grey by other people who logged me in random EX farming.

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Originally Posted by game_enjoyer

i ran p1s when it released with my fc and for a month straight i didn't get a single piece of gear. largely in part to our static having multiple people who would run it before the rest of us because they wanted to prog faster. every week it would be 1 chest runs. progging feels really bad when u continue to see everyone else getting kitted out with BiS. the static folded before we even made it to p2s.

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Originally Posted by Issaella

According to everyone in this thread anyone can do it at any time, at any gear level, without addons, without experience, exclusively through the PF and saying otherwise makes you wrong and/or a negative Nancy and/or a quitter, etc...

You just have to be willing to eat pavement ad infinitum and apparently put 3x as much time into getting a party together than you spend actually progressing. Having no deaths on the first Channeling Flow after only 3 pulls, and seeing Kampeos Harma after only 4 pulls seemed like progress to me...

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I don't know your motivations and how good you are. I'll give an idea of how someone may have progressed.

I start out and reach the end on "expansion" and I'm only exposed to dungeon/trial boss, I do not know the fundamentals of the game, that it isn't reaction based and freestyled whatever job I was on. I dipped my toes into EX and was dragged as a corpse to the end of it by a "school bus" as I read and studied the guide just for the EX instance while freestyling horribly.

I immediately knew that I'm not meant to do this because I know nothing at all of this part of FF14 and the things I were playing before with intensity was racing. The FF14 content turned into "I'm going to beat up this striking dummy/SSS target repeatedly." I failed the SSS dummy but I did read up and understand whatever job I pick to learn, a bit.

Got bored again the next EX instance where I'm somehow inspired to attempt to farm an EX, maybe the music was really great and inspiring. To avoid being carried through like a corpse, I went back to hit the SSS dummy again, while getting food and craft gear melds and some normal raid gear till I actually managed to break the SSS dummy. Final EX of the tier.

It took me several PFs and I roughly cleared it... 1-2 weeks after it's release. I went back into practice groups after clearing and kept brushing up till I felt confident about the mechanics, I was still bad and kept drifting on my job unknowingly.

Then, at some point, someone pushed and reminded me that I was in a JP dc, they suggested I use High End Duty Finder to farm it after being confident from several PFs.
I wanted the farm to end, I wanted to finish the instance faster so I can be done with it.
I still kept drifting, but it was getting less and less severe, but still bad, eventually, I did it over 130+ times because it didn't give me the mount and I only did it because I knew I can. Randoms kept track of me, some of it. Character limit