Doesnt feel like the WoW migration improved the community.

Holy Priest has
- spammable filler spell (equivalent to Glare/ Broil/ Malefic/ Dosis)
- dot (equivalent to Dia/ Biolysis/ Combust/ EDosis) but only about half the duration
- Holy Fire on 10s cooldown
These 3 already provide a more engaging dps rotation than any healer here has because of the shorter duration of the dot and the short cooldown of Holy Fire.
- Shadow Word: Death on 30s cooldown
- Holy Word: Chastise on 60s cooldown with a cooldown reduction through Smite casts
While the latter isn't used on cooldown in raids, it definitely has a more engaging dps rotation than FFXIV healers.
The talent skills also deal damage although they're generally used or even kept on cooldown for their healing.

You can say what you want about WoW but healer dps rotations are in a much better state than in FFXIV in addition to healing being generally more intense and requiring decision making over planning. There is a reason for the many healer threads with some of them reaching 100+ pages. It IS an issue and it is something that WoW still does better. From leveling dungeons to endgame raids.

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Originally Posted by Rilifane

Holy Priest has
- spammable filler spell (equivalent to Glare/ Broil/ Malefic/ Dosis)
- dot (equivalent to Dia/ Biolysis/ Combust/ EDosis) but only about half the duration
- Holy Fire on 10s cooldown
These 3 already provide a more engaging dps rotation than any healer here has because of the shorter duration of the dot and the short cooldown of Holy Fire.
- Shadow Word: Death on 30s cooldown
- Holy Word: Chastise on 60s cooldown with a cooldown reduction through Smite casts
While the latter isn't used on cooldown in raids, it definitely has a more engaging dps rotation than FFXIV healers.
The talent skills also deal damage although they're generally used or even kept on cooldown for their healing.

You can say what you want about WoW but healer dps rotations are in a much better state than in FFXIV in addition to healing being generally more intense and requiring decision making over planning. There is a reason for the many healer threads with some of them reaching 100+ pages. It IS an issue and it is something that WoW still does better. From leveling dungeons to endgame raids.

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My point isn’t that ffxiv is better than WoWs. It’s that the rotations aren’t any better or more engaging. It doesn’t matter if WoWs holy priest has a swp, smite, w/e if you are still spamming flash heal the whole time. It’s a problem with mmo healers in general. The difference in WoW is dps can’t screw up like dps can in this game and still survive. The WoW healing kits can only do so much. Ffxiv doesn’t have as big of an issue with this. Doom mechanics in this game didn’t even matter because you can just Rez people over and over. In WoW you get one battle Rez.

Only thing I've noticed is the change in greetings at the start of instances. Before people used to type "hey" or "hello" or something similar. Now it's o/ at the start and GG at the end, the absolute horror :p

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My point isn’t that ffxiv is better than WoWs. It’s that the rotations aren’t any better or more engaging. It doesn’t matter if WoWs holy priest has a swp, smite, w/e if you are still spamming flash heal the whole time. It’s a problem with mmo healers in general. The difference in WoW is dps can’t screw up like dps can in this game and still survive. The WoW healing kits can only do so much. Ffxiv doesn’t have as big of an issue with this. Doom mechanics in this game didn’t even matter because you can just Rez people over and over. In WoW you get one battle Rez.

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WOW isn't the only other game around. There are other MMOs in which healers have DPS and healing trees, and when healing in dungeons healers have the ability to self rez (typically on a timer), and rez other players over and over as you say as a healer. In at least one game, i had the ability to spec as pure heal, DPS or a hybrid spec healer - the best choice of spec was usually determined by the difficulty of the content and the number of healers.

The point is however that choice of skills lead to more engagement for healers in more than one game.

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WOW isn't the only other game around. There are other MMOs in which healers have DPS and healing trees, and when healing in dungeons healers have the ability to self rez (typically on a timer), and rez other players over and over as you say as a healer. In at least one game, i had the ability to spec as pure heal, DPS or a hybrid spec healer - the best choice of spec was usually determined by the difficulty of the content and the number of healers.

The point is however that choice of skills lead to more engagement for healers in more than one game.

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Choice of skills/abilities matter if you get to actually use them in your rotation. I happened to like the aero 3 dot aoe that was removed. I didn’t care about the aqua knock back spell because I didn’t use it.

The type of healer you are talking about reminds me of ESO. In ESO you can pick and choose your skills, but mostly there is a meta spec for grouping and it’s mostly boosting resources and spot healing too. The only games I can compare are ESO, FFXIV, and WoW right now. These are my experiences in those games.

The beginning of the thread specifically targets WoW so that’s why I used it as a comparison, but I would definitely be interested in knowing what other MMOs have different healing dynamics. No sarcasm, I’m being genuine with that. I’ve been bored lately with healing in general.

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Choice of skills/abilities matter if you get to actually use them in your rotation. I happened to like the aero 3 dot aoe that was removed. I didn’t care about the aqua knock back spell because I didn’t use it.

The type of healer you are talking about reminds me of ESO. In ESO you can pick and choose your skills, but mostly there is a meta spec for grouping and it’s mostly boosting resources and spot healing too. The only games I can compare are ESO, FFXIV, and WoW right now. These are my experiences in those games.

The beginning of the thread specifically targets WoW so that’s why I used it as a comparison, but I would definitely be interested in knowing what other MMOs have different healing dynamics. No sarcasm, I’m being genuine with that. I’ve been bored lately with healing in general.

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There are two that come to mind right off the top of my head, however these are by no means the only ones - SWTOR, and Aion.

Many players completed the content and stopped playing. Thats why the queues are low. I've also completed the main contents. I for one just playing casually now. Lazy to look for static groups. Getting old.

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Idk why people think WoW has these complex rotations for healers, they don’t. They don’t even have more skills/abilities than the healers in ffxiv. The same complaints about gutted healing kits and dumbed down rotations/homogeneous classes/specs is all over the WoW forums too. There’s only a couple specs in the entirety of WoW that have as complex as a rotation as maybe BLM. I can always tell the people who don’t actually play WoW now because they say “gcd” is why ffxiv is worse. WoW has a gcd too, it just gets more haste buffs, but you don’t have ogcd’s to break up the boredom.

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At least they are more diverse. A job similar to holy paladin being a close combat healer with plate armor instead of another magic using boring looking robe healer would be appreciated tbh.

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Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas

There are two that come to mind right off the top of my head, however these are by no means the only ones - SWTOR, and Aion.

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Thanks :) I’ve thought about SWTOR before, but I didn’t think people played it anymore. I might try it out. Ive never heard of Aion though. I’ve been mostly abandoned by my family for now. They seem to only want to play Elden Ring lately.

Mandatory Justice for Healers.