Bring Back Kaiten

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Originally Posted by ThorneDynasty

Yeah, I don't think it's actually a flaw if you lose relatively a lot of DPS not using buffs properly during your burst. But I can see how the dev team under the current philosophy of keeping everything as forgiving as possible looked at the 1 extra required Kaiten in the rotation and decided it was a step too punishing. There are other options, but regime says keep it simple enough, so I guess when in doubt dumb it down.

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too punishing!? I hope that is not the case, I play it like that: I play the Job, get a Feel of How the Job plays, then I look what I have to be aware of the most in the kit and then I master it at my pace
I also take suggestions, for example: once in ARR or HW I played WAR in Castrum (when Cutscenes were skippable!) and I had tank stance active as an Off-Tank for the extra skills that were only available when Tank Stance (or DPS Stance) were active.
I used "..But these Extra Skills!", and someone in the Party said to me "Dude, I'm a Warrior Main, turn off Tank Stance", where I replied with "Okay!", so I turned off Tank Stance and learned something about offtanking!
What I wanna say is, that it's fine to take time to learn the ropes for your own, it's the part of the journey to hone the skills for future encounters, the Removal of Kaiten threw everything out of whack, reduced the Kenki Gauge to "Press Shinten NOW!" which toppled the entire Resource into Question, how it is now.. and again, I think there was nothing wrong of how Kenki evolved alongside Kaiten.

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Originally Posted by darkdyllon

people have gone through every excuse they had at this point and only 1 makes sense.

the action/button bloat has been severely debunked.

the other was the DPS variance caused by high critical hits (which every job suffers under but only SAM got gutted, which by that alone is debunked)

the last was that the job balancer in question had difficulities balancing the job around Kaiten, so they removed it in favor of that. (lazy as all hell though)

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so the Job Balancer did not see the importance of Kaiten?

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Originally Posted by darkdyllon

but why stop there then.
plenty of other jobs have these redundant parts of their kit that could easily be done differently.
for example Paladin, you use Holy Shelltron on every tank buster, no exception, make it an passive trait. (taking the piss, but having "redundant" parts is neccessary like Kaiten being used before every Iaitsu)

their reasoning is just bad, but the thing that bothers me is that they are more than willing to actively rebalance PvP, but PvE need to wait 4 months for any decent job changes that needs to happen.
meanwhile, Kaitens removal has sparked mass outrage, MCH for example atm requires an ping mitigation 3rd party tool to work fine on higher than average ping.
meanwhile SE though goes hard on getting rid of most 3rd party tools (let's be real, people use them just the rule of "shut up about it" applies) but the fact that this is such an major issue, years after it's been known is just jarring.

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Uhh that Shelltron Change would remove activity from the Game severely^^ though I have to say at 6.1 PvP was the savior for Samurai Kuzushi Zantetsuken is just amazing to witness ^^ though Interestingly Endwalker Launch NIN was a mess! and they fixed that fairly quickly.. and true the rework of Trickattack is highly Questionable, NIN still is playable to generate some sorts of fun unlike Shintenspamurai :/ also about the "Discord is a 3rd Party Tool"-Arguement.. I play on Console with a Laptop near-by with Discord.. would that be a fix? xD

Patch 6.15.. Hopes up again, though seriously what needs to happen that our concerns get addressed?

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Originally Posted by RyuuZero

Patch 6.15.. Hopes up again, though seriously what needs to happen that our concerns get addressed?

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Nothing, because Yoshida and his dev team's silence has proved that none of this feedback matters despite his lip service during the patch notes reading.

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Originally Posted by RyuuZero

Patch 6.15.. Hopes up again, though seriously what needs to happen that our concerns get addressed?

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I'm almost scared to check on Tues to see if they'll surprise us. I don't expect it, but hope springs eternal.

Copium bump, may Samurai see some love

Quick Patch 6.15 Review:
Overall Good Additions: New Tribal Tribe, Ameliance Costume Delievery, more Side Quests and most importantly: More Hildibrand

Samurai is still Kaitenless
I still end up with 20 Kenki before doing Iaijutsu like lvl50
and I'm thinking.. could it be that the Samurai does now more DPS due to monotonous Shinten Spam!?

if so.. what does tell us about the future Combat design?..
though.. what do we have to do to be heard, so our concerns get addressed?

I mean.. is spamming Filler Abilities at nauseum really the way to go for future Job Design?

This is my Kaiten. There " aren't " many like it, so this one is mine.

My Kaiten is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my rotation.

Without me, my Kaiten is useless. Without my Kaiten, my Iaijutsu is useless. I must manage my Kenki true. I must bash my Kaiten before Enrage kills me. I must button bash Kaiten, before Enrage gets me. I will ...

My Kaiten and I know that what counts in a fight isn't just the Aesthetics, the noise of my blade, nor the rotating motion we make. We know that it is the hard hits that count. We will hit hard...

My Kaiten is human, even as I [am human], because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its downtimes, its uptimes and it's weaving. I will keep my rotation clean and Kaiten ready, even as I am rotation clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will ...

Before the Twelve, I swear this creed. My Kaiten and I are the defenders of Eorzea. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the Ronin's of my life.

So be it, until victory is Murica's Eorzea's and there is no enemy, but peace! (big nods, and casts Meditate)

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Originally Posted by CelestiCer

Without my Kaiten, my Iaijutsu is useless.

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sorry but I have to disagree there ^^ Without Kaiten Iaijutsu just feels weak but it isn't useless, on the Otherhand Kenki is now stripped from it's original purpose as Damage Boosting Resource into PRESS THE SHINTEN

though.. 6.18 is announced.. New Hopes are rising!