Alliance Raids and players not waiting for Cutscene Watchers

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Originally Posted by Cheremia

"Just pay attention" Hm. I agree that people should, many don't...
But following the herd may work, it may not. But telling new people with no infos to just pay attention and they will be gucci? Debatable, not what i would say tho.

You are invulnerable a bit after a cutscene but you still can die basically "immediately" after because you had no time nor way of knowing whats up. Are you even? I know you are invuln in cutscene but i also saw people die immediately after they spawned in, i dont remember.
For the Ball in Puppets, cutsceners can basically miss over half of the fight. Yes, that part is like... who cares? But whats the fun of missing half of a fight?

There is literally nothing like the feeling of doing new (to you) content for the first time and people not being able to wait that one minute (a bit more for false idol, that one is long) is like... really, you have THAT little time to play that a FEW minutes will make you not have enough of it?
In an MMO?
Where a thing can take up to 20 minutes longer than it "usually" does because of people just dying (new and not new a like) a lot?

Why does everybody that plays on their own time have to fear missing out on a good chunk of fights just because the others play without having any spare time, as example? Why are you special for playing without the neccessary time but people wanting to watch cutscenes AND start as a team are rude to want to do so.

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Usually a lot of people have already finished the alliance raid multiple times, I dont think it's fair to just go out and demand that they all value someone else's time over their own. And you cant have it both ways here: it cant at the same time be only a small deal for everyone to wait the short time a cutscene is over but a big deal to miss 'half the fight' for a cutscene watchers. Either it's a big deal for both and you're asking a big favor of people to not start early or it's only small deal for both and waiting or not waiting doesnt really matter.

Cutscene length is a game design issue, a lot of the cutscene at the last boss of paradigm's breach is useless fluff that adds nothing to the story. Like why do we need to see 9s and 2b get clapped by the girl in red? The real final boss in bunker is the giant 2p, not the sphere.

To me it kind of depends on what is missed vs. what is gained by watching cutscenes and pulling during cutscenes. If it is just the usual boss banter, then if someone wants to pull eary it isn't a big deal to me. The big difference to Praetorium back in the day is that Praetorium cutscenes happened so frequently they would interrupt each other, cancelling ongoing cutscenes to play whatever cutscene triggered next. So the new player would get a jumbled and incoherent mess of a story, whereas the only tradeoff in Alliance raids will only ever be missing a bit of boss banter and maybe the first one or two mechanics.
As banter remains in the chatbox for easy reference, and mechanics are trivial in all Alliance raids anyway, I think it is, at least for the current Alliance raids, a fair tradeoff that you get to pick for yourself. Of course, if Square ever decides to put more important story bit into cutscenes or boss banter, that might very well change. If it ever does, in those cases making the boss invulnerable to pulls while people are watching cutscenes might be a decent idea.

As is right now, if everyone wants to wait, perfect. If someone doesn't want to wait, they are free to pull. So long as enough people join in and thereby implicitly agree to the pull, the pull will proceed, otherwise the person who pulled will just solo wipe. One person more or less is not gonna affect the overall clear speed much overall anyway, which is the main reason why people don't wait compared to full or light party content: The loss of time from waiting is not really made up for by having an extra person around, whereas with the other content one person makes a huge difference for mechanics and damage.

Of course, for the Nier raids, I will obviously recommend to make an exception: All cutscenes should automatically be skipped, even if you are playing them for the first time, so you do not need to suffer the nonsense that is that story. ;)

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Usually a lot of people have already finished the alliance raid multiple times, I dont think it's fair to just go out and demand that they all value someone else's time over their own. And you cant have it both ways here: it cant at the same time be only a small deal for everyone to wait the short time a cutscene is over but a big deal to miss 'half the fight' for a cutscene watchers. Either it's a big deal for both and you're asking a big favor of people to not start early or it's only small deal for both and waiting or not waiting doesnt really matter.

Cutscene length is a game design issue, a lot of the cutscene at the last boss of paradigm's breach is useless fluff that adds nothing to the story. Like why do we need to see 9s and 2b get clapped by the girl in red? The real final boss in bunker is the giant 2p, not the sphere.

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MMO.

There will always be new people.

New people are not expected to miss parts of the fights just because they started playing later than you.
Why are you, who did it before later new people, special and tell them to just miss things if they want to watch cutscenes. Just because you do it that way and miss parts of fights, doesnt mean others should be expected to want it that way.

I just checked. The Cutscene of False Idol is exactly 1 Minute and 42 seconds long (really feels longer LOL).
Do you not have 2 minutes time?

I have 2 Minutes time if i play a game since i dont expect every roulette i do to be speedran by everybody.

Legit, the most early pulls when there are cutsceners are when an AST places down star. I always say that a bomb has been planted then.

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Originally Posted by Cheremia

MMO.

There will always be new people.

New people are not expected to miss parts of the fights just because they started playing later than you.
Why are you, who did it before later new people, special and tell them to just miss things if they want to watch cutscenes. Just because you do it that way and miss parts of fights, doesnt mean others should be expected to want it that way.

I just checked. The Cutscene of False Idol is exactly 1 Minute and 42 seconds long (really feels longer LOL).
Do you not have 2 minutes time?

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Given how the average run of Tower these days seems to take excessively long, asking for an extra 2 minutes of my already-strained time yes is a bit much to ask given how weight is distributed in alliance raids-newer players often queue in without a clue how to survive, proceed to drag things out due to the weakness debuff, and those of us who are essentially carrying them are considered bad guys by some because we've reached the end of our patience by that point and just want to get on with things.

If a player chooses to not respect my time by being unprepared and dragging out a run then I do not have to sit tight and emote for 2 minutes straight before the final boss. The insufficient rewards, huge varience in runtime length, and the potential drama over a minority of people wanting to hold up the majority of the raid because of cutscenes isn't doing much to convince me to try my luck with Alliance Raid roulette again. As it stands now, I do not use it on my main and on my alts I only unlocked the Crystal Tower series-but even World of Darkness can be a problem raid on the level of Orbonne Monastery on my datacenter.

Can we not do this again? We were condemned to watching cutscenes in MSQ roulette the last time people started whining about cutscene watchers. The last thing we need is to get trapped watching them in bloody Crystal Tower.

truth is same with MSQ rouletes where you cant skip . you can watch freely your cutscene, noone should to kick you for watching it . thing is you will do that duty again soon anyway again . so you can fully experience whole fight . and only option how to check everyone is ready is by shouting or ready check, but it doesnt working as it should be . they really should redesign alliance raids where only before the start of raid and after the last battle after looting and leaving duty will be some cutscene :]

What if they add bonus tomestones and exp for people who 100% the raid and its cutscenes.

:)

Oh, you are going to get to see it.... over and over......and over again.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

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„Respect for me, not for thee“, huh?

Why do you play an mmo instad of singleplayer, where you dont have to deal with NEW people or close to new people with a strained timeline? You know, where you can take your own time?
Not intended to be an „just quit lol“ thing. But doing duties with no extra time seems silly to me.

Why should this newby over there watch an excessive guide on normal content if they want to go blind and enjoy it as is?
I hope you don‘t die a lot in content you are new to, then. Since that would be wasting everybodies time.

As said, there is nothing like experiencing new (to you) content for the first time.
It took me forever to get a hang if the black/white mechanic on red girl because my brain works badly with so many visual effects.

This game has a story.
Raids have a story.
Boss cutscenes are part of that.

You play the mmo without any time to spare, not others.

There will always be new people.
You were new to duties once, too.
People play games for enjoyment, not to be rushed by people that have no time and want to zoom through roulettes in no time flat.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Can we not do this again? We were condemned to watching cutscenes in MSQ roulette the last time people started whining about cutscene watchers. The last thing we need is to get trapped watching them in bloody Crystal Tower.

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No worries cutscenes in crystal tower are only boss scenes its not until after the last boss fight u get some story scenes. if i remember it right its not until ivalice raid it started with story scene before the boss fight