About damage essences in Delubrum/Dalriada

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

“It’s too much effort to even USE the shopping cart. I’m just gonna ask all the store attendants and clerks to carry everything for me!”

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Isn't that just curbside pickup?

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Originally Posted by hobostew

Isn't that just curbside pickup?

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HAH!

well at least with curbside pickup you’re being honest with yourself, ive seen some people walk into the grocery store and just ask clerks to hold everything for them.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

Skirmishes and CE's earn you basically nothing in terms of essences. Also, like I said, Skirmishes and CEs are always running non-stop in SF; I've never had any downtime between skirmishes to sit around killing trash. If anything there was always more of them going on than I could ever reasonably do, so stopping to kill trash would only slow me down.

Also, let's not ignore the fact that it's MUCH more efficient to do all of the steps before DR outside of Bozja. For relic hunters the most efficient way to do everything is to ignore cluster/fragment farming, and that's entirely by design.

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Weird how I said, spawning them nets you clusters for essences, not the skimishes themselves (although some CEs and Skirmishes actually do drop fragments). If youre seeing a lot of CEs spawn, someone else is actually doing the work to spawn the skirmishes that lead to them.

Amazingly, the DR step is actually only efficient if you have nothing else to level and joining speed run PFs that get sub 20 minute clears. Otherwise, the alternative to this step, PotD, is actually more efficient.

Lets also not ignore that running DR itself nets you fragments as well.

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

Weird how I said, spawning them nets you clusters for essences, not the skimishes themselves (although some CEs and Skirmishes actually do drop fragments). If youre seeing a lot of CEs spawn, someone else is actually doing the work to spawn the skirmishes that lead to them.

Amazingly, the DR step is actually only efficient if you have nothing else to level and joining speed run PFs that get sub 20 minute clears. Otherwise, the alternative to this step, PotD, is actually more efficient.

Lets also not ignore that running DR itself nets you fragments as well.

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Weird how I said I didn't have to spawn them, because SFs standard traffic already spawns them faster than I can run them. The point being there's zero reason to ever stop and farm clusters.

Also, PoTD is only more efficient if you're already farming around floors 150+. Otherwise it's complete RNG that's weighted against you; probably spend hours farming and get nothing.

Also, so what if DR nets you fragments? Fragments aren't essences; they're loot boxes that will most likely give you crap. If you're not farming clusters you probably won't have the essences people expecting you to run, but there's no reason for people doing the relic to EVER waste their time farming clusters.

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

Amazingly, the DR step is actually only efficient if you have nothing else to level and joining speed run PFs that get sub 20 minute clears. Otherwise, the alternative to this step, PotD, is actually more efficient.

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... It's not? Have you been in DR recently? Becuase of the amount of time you need to get a relic is cut down quite drastically (from 15 to 5), most people use essences now and I haven't had a run go for too long, and this is with pugs. (Only one that went a bit long was a run I had quite a few newbies, and that's okay). PotD is now even less effective imo.

Its whatever, essences are NOT a requirement for normal runs, only for DR Savage, just so you can survive the damage. I just use whatever I have but dont spend any gil on essences or lost actions for normal runs, if anything ill end up using alt jobs and use those essences I rarely use, but thats about it really.

I can count the number of times I've actually sat down specifically to farm essences on one hand. Idk if I just spend far more time in Bozja than I've realized or what, but I'm swimming in most of the essences and actions I care about just from passively doing the content. Heck, some of the cheap essences have 100% droprate fragments you can farm, though I'm guessing that's probably not all of them.

I mean if you don't wanna sit and farm that's your prerogative, and if you aren't spending much time in the content anyway it probably doesn't matter much. But if you've got them, there's no reason at all not to use them, and the more people DON'T use them, the longer every single run is. The difference in speed between a group with people even half trying to use 'correct' essences and a group where most people aren't is... not small.

I mean I'm lazy af when I go into Bozja now... I never take off Seraph strike, I'm drowning in aetherweavers and profanes, and the only finite resource I need to worry about at this point is chaincasts. I do stupid amounts of damage with close to zero effort and it's fantastic.

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Originally Posted by Infindox

... It's not? Have you been in DR recently? Becuase of the amount of time you need to get a relic is cut down quite drastically (from 15 to 5), most people use essences now and I haven't had a run go for too long, and this is with pugs. (Only one that went a bit long was a run I had quite a few newbies, and that's okay). PotD is now even less effective imo.

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I do DR in PF where the average run is about 15 minutes. Two forty five minute runs and I was done with duty finder.

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Originally Posted by Avidria

I can count the number of times I've actually sat down specifically to farm essences on one hand.

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I can count the number of times I'd be willing to do it on zero hands.

I think the disconnect here is between people running Bozja for Bozja, and people running Bozja for the relic.

If you've spent a lot of time in Bozja just doing stuff I'm sure you've gotten a ton of essences naturally, and just assume everyone else has done the same. That's not the case, though. If you're only doing what you need for the relic you'll most likely end up at steps like DR with barely any essences to use. If you're noticing that most people in DRN aren't using essences, it's because most people doing Bozja in general ONLY want their relic.

Bozja is only still alive because it force funnels relic hunters through it. All of you who are actually enjoying Bozja might want to just take that as a win, instead of pissing about how most of the people in Bozja don't want to farm essences.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

I can count the number of times I'd be willing to do it on zero hands.

I think the disconnect here is between people running Bozja for Bozja, and people running Bozja for the relic.

If you've spent a lot of time in Bozja just doing stuff I'm sure you've gotten a ton of essences naturally, and just assume everyone else has done the same. That's not the case, though. If you're only doing what you need for the relic you'll most likely end up at steps like DR with barely any essences to use. If you're noticing that most people in DRN aren't using essences, it's because most people doing Bozja in general ONLY want their relic.

Bozja is only still alive because it force funnels relic hunters through it. All of you who are enjoying Bozja might want to just take that as a win, instead of pissing about how most of the people in Bozja don't want to farm essences.

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Here's the thing, it'll go faster if you have essences. That means less net time in bozja for you. If no one used essences, you'd be looking at an hour and a half each run.