FF14 devs just keep doing your thing because my god

I'm sorry, but I watched about half that video and I didn't really see anything wrong with it. It's just a guy who was passionate about WoW. Yeah, he swore a lot.. but so what? "anti-lgbt" seems a bit of a stretch. Like, huh?

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I'm sorry, but I watched about half that video and I didn't really see anything wrong with it. It's just a guy who was passionate about WoW. Yeah, he swore a lot.. but so what? "anti-lgbt" seems a bit of a stretch. Like, huh?

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He's using a LGBT related term with the intent of it being an insult, that's what's wrong with it. And uh...calling an entire faction of players emo <slurs that are totally not allowed here in any context> isn't great either. You don't need to insult anyone to show which faction you prefer. And certainly not in the way he did.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

He's using a LGBT related term with the intent of it being an insult, that's what's wrong with it. And uh...calling an entire faction of players emo <slurs that are totally not allowed here in any context> isn't great either. You don't need to insult anyone to show which faction you prefer. And certainly not in the way he did.

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It's called trash talking, and was probably done in good fun.. It's also a product of it's time.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

It's called trash talking, and was probably done in good fun.. It's also a product of it's time.

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Yeah many of us dont believe throwing slurs around is "fun"

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

It's called trash talking, and was probably done in good fun.. It's also a product of it's time.

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Oh I totally get that it was a product of its time but let me put it this way:

If he had said that trash-talk in a Blizzard game, even back then he would have been landed with a pretty hefty ban. The fact that Blizzard chose to promote the sort of language that is literally against the ToS in all their games is what's shocking me above everything else.

I've heard the sort of stuff he said a thousand times before. I have not seen a massive company promote activity that is against their ToS as some form of entertainment at their own convention. That gives very mixed signals to say the least.

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Originally Posted by Ralph2449

Yeah that one was crazy, imagine you are in charge of Blizzcon, you see a video where a horde edgelord starts throwing out insults and use derogatory terms for half your playerbase and think "yeah we should totes upload that to blizzcon for everyone to see". It goes to show what kind of people work and influence things in blizzard.

Starts at 5 seconds, they had to non top spam the censoring beep with all the things he said, uncertain if it was censored in the actual blizzcon 2011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2yvZM1wn04
Uncensored version: his rant starts at 1 min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW_Lv0r-l4c



They definitely to to improve things in that area, getting my registration mail took so long I ended up closing the "insert registration code here" window assuming there would be a way to get back to that window from the email.

Ended up needing to wait 24 hours to create my account, they def could update the registration process.

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I have never had issue one with any SE site. You likely speak for the minority. I am sorry you find it difficult to navigate a web site.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Oh I totally get that it was a product of its time but let me put it this way:

If he had said that trash-talk in a Blizzard game, even back then he would have been landed with a pretty hefty ban. The fact that Blizzard chose to promote the sort of language that is literally against the ToS in all their games is what's shocking me above everything else.

I've heard the sort of stuff he said a thousand times before. I have not seen a massive company promote activity that is against their ToS as some form of entertainment at their own convention. That gives very mixed signals to say the least.

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I had to google the guy, but he is a death metal vocalist.. and you guys are shocked by his language? Blizzard was promoting this (apparently) famous person's excitement and passion about WoW.

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I had to google the guy, but he is a death metal vocalist.. and you guys are shocked by his language? Blizzard was promoting this (apparently) famous person's excitement and passion about WoW.

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If you don't understand why promoting activity against your own ToS, while promoting a game that uses that ToS, is weird at best...then I don't know what to say to you.

He didn't just drop some F bombs. He literally used a group of people as a slur intended to insult another group of people. I listen to so many kinds of metal and plenty of people in that scene manage to be passionate without using the same sort of phrasing.

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Originally Posted by Ralph2449

When the devs repeatedly focus on high end content and try to push it down everyone's throat because it is the only play to get gear progression/actually cool rewards it attracts more and more unhealthy gamers who like telling themselves they are some great person for beating scripted content with a group of 19 similar people whose self worth depends on the ingame prestige blizzard gives to high end players. (Which is ironic due to how badly balanced the game is, if you put 20 people who play fotm to beat most mythic bosses the challenge becomes a cakewalk which is why you see world first raid bosses dropping down like flies bar the last 2-3, the skill required to beat with a more balanced and fun comb is far higher but these people dont care about challenge, they care about beating a boss for prestige because their ego depends on it which is why you see them obsess over fotm/stacking broken specs and classes and metaslaving like crazy)

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How is FFXIV any different? Lv1~79 content outside MSQ is only done if you happen to want very specific glamour, need exp to level up, or want more story, which leads into even in XIV people claiming "only endgame matters so just focus on finishing MSQ now". And the same players who complain here about "elitism" are the ones who complain if their "main job" isn't on high demand for said high-end content that supposedly shouldn't be the focus, and that they don't do. The homogenization of jobs is a direct result of focusing on high-end pve compositions. Throwing theme-park attractions outside PvE doesn't change that.

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I have never had issue one with any SE site. You likely speak for the minority. I am sorry you find it difficult to navigate a web site.

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When I first tried joining 14 I gave up.
My friends all wanted me to play with them and so the squad assembled. It took a team of 3 over a week to figure out how to set my up with an account, and one of them had just made an account 2 months earlier and still struggled with the process.
I'm happy you didn't have any problems, but the problems are real.
Part of the issue stems from the fact that the site is built by Japanese people, but their coding is all done in English cuz that's just how coding works.
Like, I'm no stranger to horrible Japanese websites. When I lived in Japan I had to deal with them constantly and I still get flashbacks to how bad the bank's site was. But even with experience working with bad Japanese sites 14's was just beyond me.