Remove Gender-Lock From Gear / Glamour Please

Because [arbitrary reason].

Women? Wearing pants!?

What do you think is this? 2021?

>:/

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Originally Posted by Vickii

2) men wearing dresses is still taboo in Japan and China which is where most of this mog station stuff comes from.

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Nah.

Dresses are not too much of a step away from traditional clothing. Comme des Garçons (A Japanese brand) have been selling street clothing, dresses for men, right back to the 2000's. Japanese music, especially Visual Kei has a lot of men in dresses....

And then there is LadyBaby! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8-vje-bq9c who was wearing loli dresses with his beard years ago.

Although I prefer −真天地開闢集団−ジグザグ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8eAWvNAUPs

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

Oh jeez, I can't handle gender restrictions being unlocked! *gasp*... now female toons... would be able to wear pants? and male toons... dresses? *gag*, it's never been done before! In real life, women wear dresses and men wear pants! It's always been that way, bring back manly men, blah blah blah. /s

For real though - gender restrictions are LITERALLY meaningless and arbitrary when IRL we can wear whatever we want with the only restriction being whether or not it's too small to fit. I'm a transmasc dude. I wear dresses all the time IRL. Doesn't make me less of a man, doesn't RuIn aNyOnEs ImMeRsSiOn. OP has the right of it, let men wear dresses, let women wear pants. Removing gender restrictions harms NO ONE.

You're playing a high techno-fantasy game set in a fictional universe where catpeople and furry tony-the-tigers exist, and you're worried about men wearing dresses and women wearing pants?

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IRL, defined gender roles have been skewed; not destroyed. If you think wearing a dress as a male does not make you less of a man, you have a skewed PoV as to what defines one. If you are confused or in opposition to that, I invite you to look up the word "masculinity". The best case scenario for a man wearing a dress thinking it doesn't make him less of a man is, "It doesn't help." because you will immediately be associated with femininity. Dresses, kind of have that effect. Just ask anyone who dreamed of being a Disney princess as a child if they were wanting to be a man.

Anywho, your post was at least entertaining. I mean in one clause you use real life as a reason to not have restrictions, yet in the next clause you use real life to remind people they are playing a video game. It's been some time since I've seen such a dismissive post and attitude, and that's saying something.

People pay real money to play this game, dude. Money that most of us have to work for. At jobs that during these days we are damn fortunate to have. The people who design this game and the gear also have real lives. They have families, bills, and other obligations and adult responsibilities. A lot of what they would like to do is sacrificed so players like you can come here and bemoan because some of the thoughts within the thread don't match your own.

If you want to use reality as a basis for your arguments, then at least try to be real.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

If you think wearing a dress as a male does not make you less of a man, you have a skewed PoV as to what defines one.

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The grammar is shocking, but it seems like you are espousing "Any man who wears a dress isn't masculine". Is that what you are saying?

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

I'd say the only races we have extensive backgrounds on are the Xaela of the Steppe and the Wildwood of Ishgard (which both have plenty of glamour in game to choose from).

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We actually know a decent-ish amount about the Wildwood and Duskwight elezen of the Shroud as well, just by virtue of the fact that we know a decent-ish amount about Gelmorra.

(...and I will resist the urge to post the semi-irreverent write-up I just did of Gelmorran and Gridanian history, largely because I just realized it is Extremely Long by even my standards.)

I would, admittedly, dispute that the Ishgardian elezen should be properly called Wildwood elezen at all.

Gelmorra wasn't founded until sometime between 500 and 700 years into the Sixth Astral Era. (To my irritation, there are conflicting canon sources on this.) The art of conjury -- and thus the ability to speak with the elementals -- wasn't discovered until around 1050-ish or so, and it wasn't until they were able to hold peace talks with the elementals that the Gelmorrans were allowed to live in the Black Shroud once more.

The 'Wildwood' term specifically refers to the elezen who left Gelmorra to live on the surface again when the elementals allowed them that freedom, while 'Duskwight' refers to the elezen who remained behind in Gelmorra because they didn't trust the elementals who had spent the past thousand-ish years trying to wipe them out.

By definition, therefore, the Wildwood elezen didn't exist as a distinct clan of elezen until around 1050 6AE or later.

Meanwhile, we know the Dragonsong war had lasted about 1000 years. And we know that Ascian manipulation touched off the Dragonsong war about 200 years into Ishgardian history. Which means that Ishgard would have been founded around somewhere in the fourth century of the Sixth Astral Era (i.e., between about 300 and 372 6AE); most canon sources seem to put it around 300 6AE, so we'll go with that.

We do have solid reason to believe that the elezen who settled in Coerthas were fleeing the wrath of the elementals in the wake of the Sixth Umbral Calamity, so they should have common ancestry with the Wildwood elezen of the Shroud. However, strictly speaking, they have common ancestry with the Duskwight elezen, too, and the distinction between Duskwight and Wildwood didn't exist until some 700-ish years after Ishgard was founded.

(But of course, the devs weren't going to add a third elezen clan to the game... thus the Ishgardians are handled as Wildwood elezen.)

Which... admittedly is a bit of a fly in the ointment when it comes to the suggestion of clan-locked culturally-significant glamour gear; there's no distinction, codewise, between a Wildwood elezen from the Shroud and a "Wildwood" elezen from Coerthas, so you'd have no way to distinguish between the two for culturally-significant lore-appropriate outfits. You'd just have to let Wildwood elezen use both.

I just don't want them to become lazy with it like they have with hair. Since most hair everyone can wear all we've gotten is lame short boyish anime hair and no really long hair. So as long as clothes don't do what hair has done then fine. If it leads to boring designs like our hair then an extreme no thanks.

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Originally Posted by Gameovers

I just don't want them to become lazy with it like they have with hair. Since most hair everyone can wear all we've gotten is lame short boyish anime hair and no really long hair. So as long as clothes don't do what hair has done then fine. If it leads to boring designs like our hair then an extreme no thanks.

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Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's lame, people who prefer having short hair on their character should have options too.

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Originally Posted by Dogempire

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's lame, people who prefer having short hair on their character should have options too.

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you're missing the point... there's a difference between having options and thats all you're getting. Here's a hint.. all we've been getting is boring short anime hair. I liked it better when we actually HAD options. I want them to NOT be lazy, they've been lazy with the hair. So what I'm saying is if it leads to them NOT being lazy then I'm all for it.

As someone who cross dresses their character, it is absolutely depressing the sheer lack of long (and short) skirts for men.