Results of a reddit job satisfaction poll

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Originally Posted by dinnertime

White Mage needs an attack that consumes lilies because typically you want to consume them ASAP for Afflatus Misery, but there will be times where there's no need for the heal.

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Lilies being eaten by an attack skill would break the design of the system. It's actually a pretty well balanced and clever mechanic that is meant to mimic an instant cast DPS skill (where the dps portion is delayed). Aka as long as you can get your misery off, every lilly you eat is already a 250 potency dps skill (more if multitarget misery). If there are times where you don't need to heal you should still use an afflatus skill to weave your ogcds into even if it's overheal.
In essence, afflatus heals are equivalent to the SCH ruin II with higher dps and an actual heal attached. It's so much better than ruin II that it comes with the major drawback of being a severely limited ressource.

Compared to the complete playerbase and the fact it was on reddit which is toxic AF and nothing but a fishing of likes and echochamber sadly makes the results not valid. SE should just do an ingame poll for the best results. Anything from facebook or reddit is never going cover most of the playerbase. It'll always be like the forums... a very tiny bit of a huge cup. Plus it's reddit.... So it kindof speaks for itself.

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Originally Posted by monk-dps

Compared to the complete playerbase and the fact it was on reddit which is toxic AF and nothing but a fishing of likes and echochamber sadly makes the results not valid. SE should just do an ingame poll for the best results. Anything from facebook or reddit is never going cover most of the playerbase. It'll always be like the forums... a very tiny bit of a huge cup. Plus it's reddit.... So it kindof speaks for itself.

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The game is filled with uber-casuals who don't know anything about anything and they'll vote for whatever and clutter up the player poll with useless votes. Such a poll would be useless.

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Originally Posted by Halivel

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I think SE wouldn't really bother to care what the silent playerbase thinks if they don't speak. It calls back to that one infamous slide they had explaining their goals with developing ARR. They want and will respond to criticism that is seen. If you think something is fine, just share your opinion about that. Yes, It's undeniable that something like the forums is just a small part of the community but it's really strange that people are trying to dismiss that the opinions here on the forums aren't significant when it has been shown otherwise.

Again, with the male Viera thing. The forums has a big thread about it, and SE responded about the situation in the live letter. Same with the AST changes. Same with anything they've responded to. You can't even say if the majority even does want it or not because there's no good way of telling. All we have going for is the feedback that is seen. That's simply how it is.

This won't change until they actually do give out surveys to everyone.

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Originally Posted by EaMett

Lilies being eaten by an attack skill would break the design of the system. It's actually a pretty well balanced and clever mechanic that is meant to mimic an instant cast DPS skill (where the dps portion is delayed). Aka as long as you can get your misery off, every lilly you eat is already a 250 potency dps skill (more if multitarget misery). If there are times where you don't need to heal you should still use an afflatus skill to weave your ogcds into even if it's overheal.
In essence, afflatus heals are equivalent to the SCH ruin II with higher dps and an actual heal attached. It's so much better than ruin II that it comes with the major drawback of being a severely limited ressource.

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Sorry, but that's still not convincing me. I like to have a choice on what I can spend lilies on like how Scholar has a choice to where it can spend their Aetherflow on.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

The game will never be super complex. It's not really the audience it caters towards. I've accepted that. I do savage, and most of the other content it provides. I'm glad I don't have to worry about some of that though, it let's me play other games, which I also enjoy.

I feel like a lot of people only want to play xiv, and while I understand that, I think the world is moving away from that kind of game.

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Who is asking for super complex? There is a middle ground between laughably basic a five year old could do it and requiring a PHD. There was nothing inherently "super complex" about Heavensward Scholar, Warrior, Dark Knight or Stormblood Bard and Astro. All of them were still watered down because some people just couldn't be bothered to learn how their kits functioned.

And it isn't just the raid community complaining but even average players. How many healer threads do you see, be it here, reddit or anywhere else, were people are shouting how boring healers are nowadays because they aren't ever heal? Adding to that, why can't we have a mix? White Mage was supposed to be the simplistic healer. Why did Scholar and Astro have to be dumbed down when their older designs appealed to people who prefer more increasing gimmicks?

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Originally Posted by Halivel

AST changes (as example)? Happened thanks to one minority asking for changes, just as any other job balancing change. Result? We see it on this forum - another minority is unhappy. Meanwhile, the majority just plays the game and enjoys their time in it. Also keep in mind that at least some part of the development team, including Yoshida, plays the game themselves, so they aren't blind to how things work in the final product.

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This would be an inherently flawed design philosophy, if that was how they operated (I don't believe it is). You don't make sweeping changes based on a very minute amount of criticism. It speaks volumes when you make an adjustment to please one minority and another several times larger crops up. That says your adjustments were a poor idea as you upset more people than you pleased. People who don't care one way or another are irrelevant to the conversation. They aren't going to provide feedback, or necessarily care at all. So there's no reason to even consider their opinion when they aren't offering one.

And yes, the dev team does play this game. That doesn't mean they know everything. In fact, a vast majority of the changes were all predicted months—sometimes years—in advance but the devs were simply stubborn.

Disregarding the pool because it’s on Reddit is the most redundant thing I have ever heard on here.

“They’re from Reddit they’re toxic”

A player is a player but in very curious on how every other main stands in a spectrum larger

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Originally Posted by Jirah

Disregarding the pool because it’s on Reddit is the most redundant thing I have ever heard on here.

“They’re from Reddit they’re toxic”

A player is a player but in very curious on how every other main stands in a spectrum larger

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Because when the bunk of it is just people doing group think and whatnot it's hard to take them seriously. I'm not going to say it's 100% like that but there is massive group think there, along with people fishing for likes. Go look at when people go against the norm there and see what happens. Thats why I said what I said. Also how is that no different then saying all the people ingame are casual noobs?

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Originally Posted by monk-dps

Because when the bunk of it is just people doing group think and whatnot it's hard to take them seriously. I'm not going to say it's 100% like that but there is massive group think there, along with people fishing for likes. Go look at when people go against the norm there and see what happens. Thats why I said what I said. Also how is that no different then saying all the people ingame are casual noobs? I don't see you defending the players in the game.

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I’m legitimately confused on your closing statement “How is that no different then saying all the people in game are casual noobs”

Broad strokes doesn’t color a canvas. Not everything is black and white, right & wrong. Also why would I defend players from the game? I’m not Batman they don’t need some random person defending their honor they are smart enough to muster a defense for very narrow view such as that on. I’m still confused what were you trying to say which explains why my message is obtuse

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Originally Posted by Jirah

I’m legitimately confused on your closing statement “How is that no different then saying all the people in game are casual noobs”

Broad strokes doesn’t color a canvas. Not everything is black and white, right & wrong. Also why would I defend players from the game? I’m not Batman they don’t need some random person defending their honor they are smart enough to muster a defense for very narrow view such as that on. I’m still confused what were you trying to say which explains why my message is obtuse

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Let me start over then... cause I think I'm not writing what's completely in my head. All I was saying was I don't think using Reddit -because of the liking hunting and group think there- was a good place to poll. Honestly I think polling from the game itself is a better idea since you can't like hunt there. That and it's the biggest pool to fish from. Reddit is like the forums extra small and not even 10% of the actual playerbase.

And I'm not saying I'm completely correct or right either. This is just what I believe and I expressed it poorly. So my bad. But that's where I stand. I hope that cleared it up. My bad for the confusion.

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Originally Posted by Edax

The game is filled with uber-casuals who don't know anything about anything and they'll vote for whatever and clutter up the player poll with useless votes. Such a poll would be useless.

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I believe it's the same pooling from just reddit also. Most of the people there just like hunt and are in massive group thinks and shun anyone who brings anything from outside of their bubble. So really it's the same problem. Least from the game you'll get the actual results since most of the playerbase don't go on reddit or on here.