Disembowel: Please Fix this Mess

As a BRD savage raiding without a DRG, I do find it frustrating to have my balls nailed to a DRG for my full potency.

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Originally Posted by Remedi

True, but AST had real MP problems which lightspeed should've fixed sorta. Consider the only dps buffs they got ar from beign able to cast while moving and not clipping with cards anymore. Otherwise their numbers of casts haven't changed.

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Their oGCD weaving was a hassle before, but I think that AST needed it along with Lightspeed buff to help with their MP issues they run into often as they do when spamming Malefic and Aspected Helios/Benefic.

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Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima

As much as I like it, it’s seriously causing issues with expanding the roster and has been since the NIN/DRG/BRD/MCH Meta baby in HW. There’s only like 2 other jobs that are capable of replacing MCH here and there, but the fact that Disembowel gives a 600+ rDPS increase with 2 Ranged is absurd.

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I was going to make a tread about it but it seems I can just reply to yours.

There is another value that Disembowl affects raiding and it really piss me off. I currently main Monk and because we have a ranged, I'm forced to play Dragoon. Day by day, my hatred for this job increases further. I hate playing for the sake of somebody else but I can't really blame them for having another job hold ransom 5% of their DPS.

The fact that MCH and BRD DPS balance is based on having Disembowl is beyond my comprehension. This is insulting. In a meta where MCH and mainly BRD have the best utility. Dragoon becomes the most important melee. Disembowl > TA. Disembowl > BH. Disembowl > personal damage. That 600 DPS the ranged gain from Dragoon should count for the Dragoon's numbers. Worst is they also have more utility in Battle Litany and Dragon Sight. The worst part is I had a Machinist who told me he didn't mind me going Monk. What he minded is not having the 5% DPS from Dragoon because he should always have it and not expect a Dragoon in the party all the time.

It is fine and all but Piercing Debuff is currently runing the Meta. It isn't fun to play Ranged without a Dragoon. It isn't fun for melees forced to play Dragoon. I hope SE is not waiting until 5.0 to fix that. I really hope because the only fix that is needed is 5% DPS buff to those 3 jobs and remove Piercing Debuff.

If Piercing Debuff is a thing at 5.0 and it wasn't fix. I will not level Dragoon at all. I won't let myself victim of playing a job for somebody else. Dragoon itself is fun. What is crap for me if having to play that job 3 months in a row for speed clears when I want to play Monk.

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Originally Posted by Aikaal

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All in all, play what you think is fun. People have lost that in focus on meta comps, and I think it takes some of the fun out of the community.

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Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima

All in all, play what you think is fun. People have lost that in focus on meta comps, and I think it takes some of the fun out of the community.

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It doesn't work that way in a static. Playing what I want to play makes a member in my static unhappy. I can't just go ahead and ignore that. If it wasn't for that, I wouldn't have bother replying here.

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Originally Posted by Aikaal

It doesn't work that way in a static. Playing what I want to play makes a member in my static unhappy. I can't just go ahead and ignore that. If it wasn't for that, I wouldn't have bother replying here.

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I’m aware of how a static is, but most people build a meta static and monkey mimic off the World Firsts. Just because a 1% hardcore uses a specific comp doesn’t mean that other jobs can’t complete content, which is why I’m saying it takes the fun out of the community. If anything, I’d rather play the job I know best and have fun with than rather conform to a single person’s whims.

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Originally Posted by Aikaal

It doesn't work that way in a static. Playing what I want to play makes a member in my static unhappy. I can't just go ahead and ignore that. If it wasn't for that, I wouldn't have bother replying here.

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Isn't something like this an easy premise to an easy blanket statement of "play what you play best as" which Yoshi has tried continuously to promote?

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Originally Posted by Aikaal

The fact that MCH and BRD DPS balance is based on having Disembowl is beyond my comprehension.

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It's not. When you consider the suite of additional non-damage based tools the Ranged Role brings, their DPS minus Disembowel is actually pretty balanced.

You can literally remove Disembowel and Bards won't feel the sting in terms of group comp at all. They're still be first pick, and Mach will still be desirable should a Bard not be present or available, and having both is still not a bad idea.

Every single Refresh that happens is MP your healers don't need to manage, that your paladin doesn't need to generate. Every single refresh is not only a safety net but an implicit gain to DPS.

Ranged without Disembowel is fine.

Ranges are ok as is. Problem is still DRG overcentralizing the raid comp.

Disagree there Kabooa. Machinists would almost certainly completely vanish without disembowel, based on current upload numbers they have with it. MCH trades off BRD's level of support for personal damage, seen in hypercharge v foes + battle voice + passive 2% crit buff, and it doesn't pay off well for them at all.
"Should a bard not be present or available" is a unicorn. I say that knowing full well I am that unicorn. However you are saying "should the most popular job in savage be unavailable maybe we can find someone who mains the least popular job." Also without piercing I have high and heavy doubts you'd ever see mch/brd in a serious comp again.