Disembowel: Please Fix this Mess

[HyperiusUltima]

As much as I like it, it’s seriously causing issues with expanding the roster and has been since the NIN/DRG/BRD/MCH Meta baby in HW. There’s only like 2 other jobs that are capable of replacing MCH here and there, but the fact that Disembowel gives a 600+ rDPS increase with 2 Ranged is absurd.

If anything, this issue needs to be rectified in the next big balance patch somehow, considering we’re going down the same path Heavensward went when it came to balancing; just a lot better than it used to be.

I have a suggestion that’s open for criticism since I want to think this would balance a bit better and expand the amount of jobs that the meta can have:

DRG
- Disembowel Piercing Down Removed.
- Heavy Thrust 5% -> 10%

MCH
- 5% Damage increase.

SAM
- Increase potency even further to be competitive with Buff Meta.

RDM
- Consider buffing potencies to make it competitive with the other casters outside of progression.

[Duskane]

Heavy thrust is 10% instead of messing with classes that have good team composition how about fix other classes to have better synergy with others

[Kitfox]

Heavy thrust is 10% instead of messing with classes that have good team composition how about fix other classes to have better synergy with others

How about we have no direct synergy between jobs so everybody can play with everyone? Why enforce arbitary party setups because of flat 100% uptime weapon type debuffs? They're not interesting, only limiting.

[EllieShadeflare]

Heavy thrust is 10% instead of messing with classes that have good team composition how about fix other classes to have better synergy with others

The first step is to get rid of the "synergy" that encourages a mono build. Seriously, look ANYWHERE and you'll find that most statics shoe in Dragoons and Bard/Machinists, because the latter provide important support tools for the rest of the party and bring the former to not make the latter feel absolutely pathetic.

If you need another class to not feel terrible at damage, then it's a problem on SE's part for underpowering Bards and Machinists and a problem that this synergy is so specific.

Hell, I'll make things easier:

>Disembowel's Piercing Debuff Removed

>Potency of all Bard and Machinist skills increased by about 5-10% to compensate.

Now we can focus on making actual synergy happen.

[GunksFoy]

Heavy Thrust is already 10%. And I disagree with this. Most people outside the forums don't really care about meta, and bard and machinist are still valuable to a group even without a dragoon. They're DPS isn't that bad. Bard is pretty low, but Machinist ranks pretty middle of the road, with or without Disembowel.

[Kitfox]

>Potency of all Bard and Machinist skills increased by about 5-10% to compensate.

You need to buff DRG if Disembowel is removed, not BRD/MCH.

[GunksFoy]

You need to buff DRG if Disembowel is removed, not BRD/MCH.

This also. Would require a pretty huge buff since this is the biggest way a Dragoon contributes to the party.

[Sapphire_Dianta]

This also. Would require a pretty huge buff since this is the biggest way a Dragoon contributes to the party.

Perhaps weaken the effect of Disembowel, but allow said weakened effect to apply to the damage done by all classes?

[Dualgunner]

Heavy Thrust is already 10%. And I disagree with this. Most people outside the forums don't really care about meta, and bard and machinist are still valuable to a group even without a dragoon. They're DPS isn't that bad. Bard is pretty low, but Machinist ranks pretty middle of the road, with or without Disembowel.

Most people outside the forums? I mean, if that means most people outside Savage too, then sure. But we don't and shouldn't balance solely around casual content.

DPS Job rankings in Sigmascape based on popularity (total uploads) over the last two weeks:
BRD: 42k
DRG: 37k
NIN: 31k
SMN: 24k
RDM: 19k
SAM: 17k
MNK:16k
BLM: 16k
MCH: 11k
(Sauce: https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/21 )

People like Bards. And Bards like not having 5% of their damage gone for no reason. Oops, I mean having a dragoon.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

Just give BRD and MCH their own Disembowl and nerf their damage a bit to compensate. There's no reason their full potential should be tied to another job.