The Royal Menagerie

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Originally Posted by Keridwyn

Dont let it get to you. First group I was ever with explained nothing and tried to pin the failure of the whole group on me because I was a bad healer. Cleared it with my next group who chose to not stand in the bad and fell of the platform less. Just do the best you can do and do the mechanics as best you can and you will get through!

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If more people had this mentality, there would be more people with clears and less people posting on the forum complaining that the duty is impossible.

Zodiark (my server) is full to the brim with people who have cleared this duty, and are all running around in their new Ala Mhigan gear so it really can't be THAT difficult if the officially WORST server has a high population of clears. xD

Just need to step up your game to get a clear, do that and you'll get it....

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Originally Posted by Cirith

I didn't expect people to attack me for saying that the trial was too difficult. I still haven't found a group that has been able to get past it. I guess I might have to be attacked some more by others so they will feel superior to me so I can cancel my subscription to this game.

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Back in ARR, Steps of Faith was released as the final trial of the MSQ and was an absolute nightmare at first. A couple of weeks later after people figured out how to do the fight and the knowledge disseminated through the playerbase, it was significantly easier with any random group. This will likely be the same. Right now while the fight is not terribly difficult, there are a ton of places for an individual to screw up and the mechanics, which are especially numerous for a non-extreme trial, are not entirely consistent, so you need to learn each individual mechanic and deal with it rather than just making the same movements each fight. This is likely a bit difficult for people who are less experienced with this game or MMOs as a whole and will be something of a learning curve, but if people stick with it, they'll get it. The actual DPS and healing requirements are fairly low, so they can just focus on doing the mechanics correctly and making sure to kill the tail in phase 2, as that's the primary way of dealing damage to the boss.

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

It's really not that bad, it's just new and people dont know how to beat it yet. Give it a month or 2 and it will be fairly easy, especially due to people starting to outgear it.

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So your asking casuals to wait up to two months to finish their MSQ?

Also, I'm already seeing people drop when this shows up.

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

So your asking casuals to wait up to two months to finish their MSQ?

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Well, lots of casuals won't even be able to log in for their 1-2 hours of gameplay after work right now, so you could make an argument that it'd take them that long to even get there in the first place anyway.

Many of the AoEs in this fight are so big that they aren't easily dodged, unless you know the visual cues already and start moving before you even see the markers. This is an unfortunate trend the game seems to have been taking ever bosses like Calofisteri in Wiping City but has really proliferated in Dun Scaith.

I don't really see the point of even displaying AoE markers on the ground if they happen so quickly you can't really react to them.

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Final steps of faith hit hard and was about this challenging back in 3.3.

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I never had the problems with Final Steps, even in the DF, that many others claim to. The original Steps (pre-nerf), on the other hand, was definitely a lot like this one in that it was usually doomed to failure on the DF.

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Tbh, your personal opinion about difficulty of this fight is not relevant. I also do not think it is overly complicated, I did it with first half-decent group I got, but even half decent players are hard to come by these days.
What does matter is data from the game, and unfortunately, success level of this trial is abysmal at the moment which says to us that difficulty is indeed too high.

A lot of casuals are stuck behind this quest and I see that as a problem.

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This is really the bottom line, and because of this, we can rest assured it will get a nerf somehow. Not sure exactly how much they can alter about the mechanics (tbh the only real way of making it easier that I see making an actual difference would be preventing us from being able to ring-out, and that isn't something they've ever added to a fight with ring-outs). I'd say getting Echo at least is practically guaranteed, though.

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Lesson learned though, don't queue for Trial right now unless I have about two hours.

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You can also just lower your item level below 280 when you queue so that it doesn't give you this trial, which is something I imagine a lot of people (with the sufficient item level and progress) are doing.

I'm not sure how RM is but, I can say something about Steps.
All Steps was is READING WHAT THE NPC SAID. That was it.
People I guess didn't know what to do that so they dropped like flies.

And by now, especially with a lot of these veterans need to git gud
and try to work together as a team, and not sit there twiddling your thumbs if you're
lost. Get a PF going if you're that stuck. I just remember pre-nerf Steps it felt amazing to clear
a somewhat difficult piece that's not a raid. All it took was reading and player communications which people hate to
do in this game. Dunno why. Communicate and play as a team.

But if it's 'harder' than steps then yeah, it's getting a nerf lol. The blacklash was bad when they nerfed it...
but it helped us keep "The Wiping City" stay as is even with all the complainers.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

Well, lots of casuals won't even be able to log in for their 1-2 hours of gameplay after work right now, so you could make an argument that it'd take them that long to even get there in the first place anyway.

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That is mostly a Balmung problem, most servers only have a queue of a few minutes tops.

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

That is mostly a Balmung problem, most servers only have a queue of a few minutes tops.

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I have had an alt on Cerberus - over 3k queue, took well over 2 hours to get in.
Right now on Omega it's 2k queue - Over an hour to get in.
And that's just my own experiences. You can find more in other threads, ranging between 15 minutes and an hour.

I'm not inclined to believe it's mostly a Balmung problem at this point. I don't even want to know how primetime Balmung queues look like truth be told - I'm happy logging in at, like, 14.00 GMT + 1 and having no queue at all until the evening when the 'muricans wake up.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

You can also just lower your item level below 280 when you queue so that it doesn't give you this trial, which is something I imagine a lot of people (with the sufficient item level and progress) are doing.

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Nah, I would rather help folks get the clear than dodge it. It was poor planning on my part to hop in, I still had HW roulette time on the brain.

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I'm not sure how RM is but, I can say something about Steps.
All Steps was is READING WHAT THE NPC SAID. That was it.
People I guess didn't know what to do that so they dropped like flies.

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In fairness, expecting people to read and digest things in the middle of an intense fight (messages that are not on your screen for very long, for that matter) is a little unreasonable. How often have you had someone completely fail to read/react to a mid-battle tactics message that you typed in the chat log?

I know I'm guilty of it too, particularly as a healer; when in battle my eyes are glued to the party list and usually not looking down at the chat at all.